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No I get what your saying, I just didnt want to derail the thread further with another debate. I understand the future of the sport is in our hands but lets face it we still have laws somewhere about killing welshmen on a tuesday with a longbow from a castle top and no driving sheep over london bridge on every third Thursday etc (I know these are likely exaggerations, but a LOT of our laws are behind the times out of date and quite frankly any decent lawyer will get around) I think unless something drastic happens we are a long way off it affecting the sport/hobby in any profound way.
I think your right if it does get reviewed then hopefully organisations and players alike (I know there are a couple of associations representing Airsoft) will have input and be able to help shape it, And im sure in these associations manifesto or plans this is the case, its certainly needed!
Luckily at the moment getting a RIF is not too difficult, and we do not need a level of realism or authenticity in kits to prove we use them in a military style, and I hope any changes do not make it harder.
I dont think we are trying to take airsoft away from its military routes at all, there are plenty of games and options open to those wanting a more military style game, certainly seeing more and more tactical type military squad games and events advertised.
And military gear is not frowned upon, hell we all need slings and holsters or some kind of load carrying which can be classed as military, my main point is a typical skirmish is not a milsim or an immersion and all you need is eyepro. That being said nothing wrong with military styling, if that appeals. I have a mix of surplus gear (as its cheap and hard wearing and I do a lot of outdoor stuff) and hiking/climbing clothes I also use for airsoft which are not military as such but quite PMC looking and obviously a vest/belt and pouches set up. Trying to define a skirmish vs a milsim or reenactment style game is where any reviews will hopefully not blur the lines making it harder to obtain a RIF for a sunday runaround for those not wanting to replicate a look or go all in with the camo!
Military styling will always have a place in airsoft but we do not all need to dress up as soldiers with full kit, backpacks, helmets with 5kg of gear on top or those silly looking scrim helmet topper things the uk army wears which look ridiculous on soldiers, totally pointless in the scheme of things in a general run around game.
Personally, while I dont see the point in dressing up anymore (I USED to) for airsoft, I appreciate a well though out loadout, but it can be totally detrimental to the game turning up in bomb disposal gear or so many pouches and add ons you cannot feel your hits and I see this all the time, I have even been told by a marshal once or twice he saw a bb hit me I did not feel and I dont have a lot of kit hanging off me.
But again we all have the choice to wear want we want - just not at the expense of other players in a normal skirmish, I understand milsims and filsims want a level of authenticity.
And as mentioned before its about the attitude of the player not the cost/look of their kit. --- on reflection maybe my attitude needs to change a little, maybe I jump in a little too quickly on threads like this with my viewpoints, will certainly have a read back over my posts in this thread and make sure I come across as intended.
apologies if I did come across a bit opinionated.
ImTriggerHappy
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Good god man do not worry about how you come across and just say what you think, honesty is the best policy and all that.
Anyway you are a million miles off the offensive benchmark, I set that high to give the rest of you plenty of wriggle room.
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I like trigger, he says what he feels and isnt apologetic for it, I actually cant see how people take offence to him, they tend to take it and make it personal and then get whiney as they cant see his point of view, mostly from what I can see he is right in the matter too.
Bloody decent player too!
I'm very similar but I've been on my super duper best behaviour since joining these forums. I've had a bad history of being banned from gaming forums over the years.
I'll have to do a Sunday at the Mall soon so I can meet Trigger in person.
Haha you obviously haven't taken the time or just don't have the brains to understand what I write so I won't take offence at your ignorance.
As for arrogant yeah you are probably right but hey I do back up everything I say
As for belittling people only when they bring it on themselves as generally I am super helpful and an absolute ray of f*cking sunshine now please feel free to take offence at anything I write as I honestly couldn't give a toss .
Merry Xmas and all that
Edit: As for no blowback ask anyone on here who knows me if I am any different face to face.
You talk about offence a lot but its not offence. You seem to class yourself as a "straight talker" but somewhere along the way you forgot that others will straight talk right back at you, which is exactly what I am doing. I dont know if you are just one of those people who has social issues but it strikes me that you probably just have an obnoxious online persona. So carry on acting the dick and dont be shocked when people treat you like one.
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Normally I am quite happy to get into discussions like this but it's pretty evident I would be wasting my breath here. Just understand I don't have an online persona it is just me and as for social issues damn straight I have no ability to socialise with nobheads.
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Solar has definitely come across more obnoxious in this thread at least. Some of his older posts are actually good (he wouldn't have 8 likes for nothing after all lol)
It really does have that Readman97 vibe to it in this thread though. Although Solar's account was made in October 2017 so unless Readman made an alt account early on ready for when he quit. I doubt its the same person, just that sort of mindset.
It really does have that Readman97 vibe to it in this thread though. Although Solar's account was made in October 2017 so unless Readman made an alt account early on ready for when he quit. I doubt its the same person, just that sort of mindset.
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I is chilled I is zen.
People need to realise my issue is with that small minority of players who put dressing up ahead of being able to play the game properly or those that try and act overly military. Wear what you like as long as it doesn't mess with your ability to feel hits too badly. All gear does effect hit taking and everyone of us gets hits we don't know about because of it so we should all try and choose our gear responsibly. Those that claim they never miss a hit are plain wrong I am sensible enough to know I have and that sometimes people I shoot have through no fault of their own its part of airsoft. Yes people might argue its everyones right to wear what they choose but if it is having a constant detrimental effect on the game then sorry no you don't. A boxer would not be able to wear pads and a crash helmet would he?
As for those that take it too serious and either get upset at the lighter side or even worse mouth off at players in game there or no words.
At the end of the day if what I say offends then you are probably one of those people so I really dont care. But I dont hold grudges so if you want give me a holler and I will show you how to play properly B)
Edit: As for Jedi he can take whatever action he feels as he knows I don't care and wont take offence either. Because he is a mate and one of those airsofters that is always welcome alongside (probably behind) me.
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Thank you it is nice to read such a considered response.
I am not going any further round the circle with this except to pick up on your saying "military gear is not frowned upon". Whilst this may be generally the case, it seems from this thread that given the right set of circumstances it is viewed in a negative way or even ridiculed by some. If for example the gear is on the "wrong person" (see pics posted earlier in the thread) or if said gear is perceived as spoiling ones enjoyment of a game, as the wearer is not consistently calling their hits, or maybe it's even that people who wear it won't take notice of me and stop wearing it. It seems under these circumstances, and probably others too, that military gear is very much "frowned upon" by some because it is seen as not necessary, detrimental to game play and/or strange.
I don't need to be told that I don't need it to play, I know I don't, but I still choose to wear it because I enjoy doing that. You don't have to agree with me, or share my views on it, that is perfectly OK, but please don't tell me again that I don't need to do it, I know that! its a choice that I make. I don't really care if some players miss a few hits or even more than a few for that matter its a game at the end of the day and the world won't stop turning because someone dosen't play the way I would like them too or I think they should.
As has been mentioned before, airsoft in this country is probably not large enough to sustain more than the usual "Sunday skirmishes" and the occasional specialist events (milsim, speedsoft or whatever). If there were enough players in every genre of the game to support a regular monthly event for each specific genre, that would be great, but there aren't, and probably will not ever be. That being the case then we all have to find a way to tolerate the Gameplay, Dress Codes, and Idiosyncrasies of others at the events we do have, because there will always be a multitude of styles at pretty much whatever airsoft event you attend.
We may infuriate each other with what we do, but that does not mean that either of us is wrong or right, we just hold different points of view about how to do airsoft. I think a large part of getting along is actually thinking about what you say or write before you say or write it and considering if you are really saying the other person is wrong. The world is not that black and white, and if you try to make it you will cause unecessary conflict.
Considering the views of others as being equally valid as our own opinions doesn't mean that we are devaluing our own views or beliefs, it means we are trying to understand the views of others too and not trying to "win the argument" by belittling or devaluing the views of others. Discussion is not about "winning" or "loosing" its about broadening the understanding and knowledge of all parties involved.
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