Supporters jcheeseright Posted September 24, 2013 Supporters Posted September 24, 2013 looks like the RIS is poorly fitted and it's pretty old-school for a SEAL weapon, apart from that it's an M4, they're all much the same!
Carrel Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 I love how all the edges of the gun seem to be cropped
ballen Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 looks like the RIS is poorly fitted and it's pretty old-school for a SEAL weapon, apart from that it's an M4, they're all much the same! As you seem like you know a little bit about the 'current' SEAL load-outs (I know its a grey area though) what do you personally think they run with most often these days the HK 416/417? - I'm just asking as I too was building a SEAL load-out and I automatically assumed the M4 too??
SimonQuigley Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 As you seem like you know a little bit about the 'current' SEAL load-outs (I know its a grey area though) what do you personally think they run with most often these days the HK 416/417? - I'm just asking as I too was building a SEAL load-out and I automatically assumed the M4 too?? they mainly use a 416/M27 but if its DEVGRU then it'll be a MP7 or the HK
ballen Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 they mainly use a 416/M27 but if its DEVGRU then it'll be a MP7 or the HK Cheers for the info Simon
Supporters jcheeseright Posted September 24, 2013 Supporters Posted September 24, 2013 from what I know (which is interweb knowledge, I don't know any SEALs!) HK416 is certainly what DEVGRU (seal team 6) are using, other teams have been photographed using the Mk18 Mod1 (CQBR in US Army nomenclature) but 417s are in use as is the SCAR-H, MP7 is available for use and for support the Mk48 is the norm. The rifle in the OPs picture looks like an attempt at a Mk18 mod1 but the RIS is wrong, the stock is from the dark ages and I have no idea where that suppressor came from!
Supporters jcheeseright Posted September 24, 2013 Supporters Posted September 24, 2013 they mainly use a 416/M27 but if its DEVGRU then it'll be a MP7 or the HK M27 is USMC only at the moment, doesn't fill the same role as the HK416 despite looking very similar.
SimonQuigley Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 These days they all have some fancy jim-jams on them like PEQ boxes, Night Vision and GPS systems. But from my knowledge of DEVGRU most of their guns are personalised, i dont know if you've read 'No Easy Day' but the SEAL there has 2 custom HK416's and a highly modified grenade-pistol
ballen Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 These days they all have some fancy jim-jams on them like PEQ boxes, Night Vision and GPS systems. But from my knowledge of DEVGRU most of their guns are personalised, i dont know if you've read 'No Easy Day' but the SEAL there has 2 custom HK416's and a highly modified grenade-pistol ....sick! - Maybe I should read the book then - thanks for the info guys, I'm now going to look out for a HK416 then lol... Is the Uramax recommended? (if anyone else has one on here?)
SimonQuigley Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 i don't have one, but there isn't many on the market as far as i'm aware
Supporters jcheeseright Posted September 24, 2013 Supporters Posted September 24, 2013 while linking to another forum may be considered poor form, there's a really good 'what 416 am bestest' on arnies here: http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/210991-hk416-options/ general consensus (and my personal opinion) is that the TM HK416D is the best non-PTW option, the Umarex (which I believe is VFC OEM) is the most visually correct but the extra performance from the TM swings it for most.
SimonQuigley Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 also, if you're working on a DEVGRU loadout this is probably your best bet, they use real AOR 1/2 material. http://www.toysoldier.com.hk/product.php?cid=16 And these guys do some pretty good deals on UBACS shirts and trousers http://www.shootercbgear.com/index.php?cPath=22_43&page=2
ballen Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 Nice thanks for the info guys and sorry armysurplusandtoys for high jacking this thread! - Hopefully the info has been helpful for you too though
ballen Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 One other question whilst I've got your guys attention... what do you feel would be a better helmet for a DEVGRU/ST6 loadout... the MICH 2001 (FAST) or MICH 2002 helmet?? - I'm assuming the 2001 but I guess the 2002 is the 'newer' helmet and therefore maybe they'd use that instead?? - do you have any info on this?
SimonQuigley Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 Once again refering to the book.. this is the one he uses http://combatgear.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/pimphelmet19.jpg i dont know the exact model, but i know its a Balistic something:L you can pick it up at weapon blender for about £30 and the dummy NVG's from shooter CB gear for about £20
ballen Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 Cheers Simon... thats the MICH 2001 then - Thanks buddy, Just having a look at shootercbgear now... what an awesome site and cheap too... pay day coming up soon so I think I'll be getting a load of AOR1 kit, the helmet and the NVG's Thanks buddy, Bobby
Supporters jcheeseright Posted September 24, 2013 Supporters Posted September 24, 2013 that's an Ops Core ballistic helmet, MICH 2001 is an older design, though there's plenty of reference pictures of SEALs using MICH 2001 helmets too. Gonna stop this now, as we're way, way, way off topic.
armysurplusandtoys Posted September 25, 2013 Author Posted September 25, 2013 thats ok bobby the book no easy day is awesome really like it I must say gun is just supposed to look like a special forces operator not be one or to be current in issue just look a cool seal type as they do mod all their stuff to suit the operational needs. Each operator will have several guns and then choose as to the mission and their role within the operation. The Ris is the Daniel defence and was pain to fit but it works very well and feels good and solid but the top rail does meet the main part of the weapon. the picture has been cropped by me and was rather difficult i do not have a photo studio and has been done with free software and a £50 camera so ok its not perfect but you can see what it is. this was my first project and i wanted to leave it a little open ended as i would have put a load of magpul items on it to finish it off thanks for all the thoughts tho
Supporters jcheeseright Posted September 25, 2013 Supporters Posted September 25, 2013 Oh, now I feel like a bit of a c*nt! I thought it was a picture from a shop of a gun you were looking to buy. Didn't mean to rag on your personal build, if it works for you, that's really all that matters!
Supporters Lozart Posted September 25, 2013 Supporters Posted September 25, 2013 Some decent info on DEVGRU and other US SF units here: http://www.americanspecialops.com/devgru/weapons/
Supporters Lozart Posted September 25, 2013 Supporters Posted September 25, 2013 Also if your looking to do the ST6 loadout as a result of seeing Zero Dark Thrity you may be interested in this: http://www.proairsoftsupplies.co.uk/acatalog/Zero-Dark-Thirty-HK416-zerodark30.html or at least inspired by it!
Supporters Lozart Posted September 25, 2013 Supporters Posted September 25, 2013 £800!!!!!!! Hence "inspired by"! Mind you it does have parts to be both CQB or DMR, custom paint and all the upgrade parts in the picture. Still....bit steep.
armysurplusandtoys Posted September 25, 2013 Author Posted September 25, 2013 jcheeseright, thats ok i like the gun but not sure of the paint job myself??
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