Moose87 Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 i thought it was funny when you said about owning a car that you have to sign up to a database. you do! its called the DVLA. you have to sign up to them to get a license and then you have to put your details on a form for the car and send it off. paying money for the car doesnt mean you own it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay83 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 you go Moose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris555 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 they don't want to take the risk its not worth there time it take a couple seconds to check a database and keeps the police off there backs this country is so anti gun its seriously not worth there time to do anything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters JoW. Posted October 21, 2013 Supporters Share Posted October 21, 2013 Saw this discussion and it's really interesting, being a lapsed airsofter myself. I still have most of my kit as VCR came in a little after I went on my 2 year shopping spree, but stopped me from selling on most of my old stuff. Since then, I've chatted with some other lapsed airsofters who have pretty much the same complaint. I respect Tim Wyborn very much for taking his time out to represent airsoft at the time VCR was being discussed, and getting an agreement to a defence written in. However, the regime that is running seems to be more reductive than expansive, which is precisely what VCR was trying to socially engineer. When exactly do you officially 'cease' to be an airsofter? And why should you be subject to someone telling you that that part of your life is now irrelevant since you are not on a database? However, from the retailing angle, I can see the issues when you are not conducting a face-to-face transaction, since all kinds of red flags come up from distance selling rules to rules about verifying the identity of the buyer. I think being a member of any airsofting organisation should be sufficient to show credentials, and face-to-face transactions should be made easier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Saw this discussion and it's really interesting, being a lapsed airsofter myself. I still have most of my kit as VCR came in a little after I went on my 2 year shopping spree, but stopped me from selling on most of my old stuff. Since then, I've chatted with some other lapsed airsofters who have pretty much the same complaint. I respect Tim Wyborn very much for taking his time out to represent airsoft at the time VCR was being discussed, and getting an agreement to a defence written in. However, the regime that is running seems to be more reductive than expansive, which is precisely what VCR was trying to socially engineer. When exactly do you officially 'cease' to be an airsofter? And why should you be subject to someone telling you that that part of your life is now irrelevant since you are not on a database? However, from the retailing angle, I can see the issues when you are not conducting a face-to-face transaction, since all kinds of red flags come up from distance selling rules to rules about verifying the identity of the buyer. I think being a member of any airsofting organisation should be sufficient to show credentials, and face-to-face transactions should be made easier 1. UKARA is not a legal requirement mate, only one of many defences. Plenty of players are not on the database. 2. It is, If your a member of a site with TPLI then you can buy RIF's till your hearts content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longshot Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 The law is not the problem; 98.63% of airsofters having little to no idea what the law says is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters jcheeseright Posted October 22, 2013 Supporters Share Posted October 22, 2013 what?! We all need a UKARA LICENSE to own a RIF, everyone on youtube comments knows that! The law is not the problem; 98.63% of airsofters having little to no idea what the law says is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose87 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 so you know every law out there?? i would say 100% of people dont know every law and that includes lawyers and judges. its why they invented places to find laws like books and the internet to share information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longshot Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 so you know every law out there?? i would say 100% of people dont know every law and that includes lawyers and judges. its why they invented places to find laws like books and the internet to share information. Yes, I know every law out there, just like I said in the post I made... Oh wait, that's nothing like what I said. Do I know about laws to do with shark hunting? No, I don't hunt sharks. Do I know about laws to do with flying helicopters? No, I don't fly helicopters. Do I know about laws to do with driving cars? Yes, I drive car. It's just good sense to know the laws that might affect something you're involved in. Do I know about laws to do with airsoft? Yes, I play airsoft. It's just good sense to know the laws that might affect something you're involved in (especially if you go around telling other people what the laws are). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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