ButcherBill
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Exactly.
When it comes to new RIFs or accessories/parts is the second hand market an indicator if it’s any good
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ButcherBill
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some I'd be scared they wouldn't work at the chrono never mind in a forrest.We're all friends here, you can be honest that you're scared they'll come back not working
I have a couple of 'sport line ' pews that I wouldn't expect to perform well but tbh they chrono better than some of my high rollers.
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I think you’re bang on with this !
I’m also curious if RIFs suffer from YouTuber review bias ?
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100%. Selling VSRs is really hard at the moment (ask me how I know...), but SSG10s sell all the time. They're literally the same gun, but the latter is Novritsch and widely reviewed by content creators...
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Oh, they definitely do. I think we’re living in a time where reviews carry far more weight than they used to.
Video games are probably a good example. Reviews and community feedback can genuinely force developers to change direction, the Helldivers 2 PSN requirement being a good example. Bad reviews forced them to U-turn on that decision quite quickly; they even made it a meme cape in the game.
With the cost of living as it is, I think people are also less willing to gamble on something and want to see what other people think first. Reviews are one of the first things I look at when buying something on Amazon.
The problem is that reviews themselves aren't always trustworthy. There are plenty of third-party Amazon sellers who will offer customers money back via Amazon vouchers or PayPal in exchange for a 5-star review. I've actually had this happen to me. I took the offer, changed my review afterwards and reported the seller to Amazon.
The same applies to YouTube reviews. Unless you know the reviewer or understand the circumstances behind the review, you don't necessarily know their motivation. Did they buy the gun themselves and give an unbiased opinion, or were they sent it for free and encouraged to give a favourable review? With these free guns for reviews, I think it would be hard to give a negative review on something I was sent for free, as I wouldn't want to disrespect the person sending it and possibly ruin that relationship, so you have to consider that too.
Reviews have a huge influence on purchasing decisions, and where there's that much influence, there's inevitably going to be an incentive for people to manipulate them.
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VSR's do sit for a while before selling, I sold a heavily upgraded Gspec a few years back and it took a while to shift despite being a £700+ build for under £300.
I personally only ever watch reviews of guns i will never own, If I want something I'll buy it. Don't care how it performs as that can be sorted. I also only ever buy guns second hand so I don't take the loss if it turns out to be over hyped or shit.
I tend to find small channel reviews are far less dick sucky and more honest as they've usually paid for the gun rather than being given it in exchange for a good review, neg's reviews on the Nov stuff I've found to be decent watches despite being given it as he is honest about the circumstances and what's good or isn't.
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Love this reply thanks so much
I agree with everything you’ve said to be fair and u think other people will too
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Interesting take on not watching reviews of guns you intend to buy
Think it’s worth remembering not everyone follows the norm when approaching buying in what is a relatively expensive hobby even trying to go budget is hard these days
I think that’s what I do appreciate this forum as a whole for especially Mack’s (which I was a victim of not too long ago
) no bullshit honest opinions not forced on anyone there to be taken or ignored by the individual Do you think there’s still an element of snobbery in this hobby and is this also a valid element of what we see in the 2nd hand market ? Don’t have any specific examples of this but I imagine something like feeling influenced into spending more than you can afford or flip side being shamed into selling a gun as it’s for the poors only ?
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Definitely but it's certainly in the minority. Over the years I've had people tell me I'd have to "upgrade" to several bits of unnecessary name brand bits of kit to join their team (which I had no intention of doing) and actually had one person stop themselves mid sentence when complimenting my gun as they realised it was an AEG. As I posted these sort of people are definitely the minority and 99% of any hpa/gbb/AEG master race comments are meant as tongue in cheek
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They definitely do it's just that dome are better at hiding it than others. A.I. magazine used to terrible for it, they gave a bad review to one gun (star SA80 IIRC), only to retract it later after the shop supplying it threw a tantrum and in another gave a glowing review despite admitting it was broken.
Same here. Fortunately though it's usually pretty clear when a review is really just a paid for advert
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Interesting take on not watching reviews of guns you intend to buy
Think it’s worth remembering not everyone follows the norm when approaching buying in what is a relatively expensive hobby even trying to go budget is hard these days
I think that’s what I do appreciate this forum as a whole for especially Mack’s (which I was a victim of not too long ago
Do you think there’s still an element of snobbery in this hobby and is this also a valid element of what we see in the 2nd hand market ? Don’t have any specific examples of this but I imagine something like feeling influenced into spending more than you can afford or flip side being shamed into selling a gun as it’s for the poors only ?
As I don't buy new it's a bit different for me, I love bolt actions and could drop £500 on an SRS or VKS, instead I got 3 heavily upgraded second hand guns for the same price that I can tinker with and get performing how I want and I get to choose what I fancy running on a game day which appeals to me far more than just buying the best out the box gun.
There is definitely an amount of snobbery in the sport, I find it more in the AEG vs GBBR fanbois and the geardo's that will drop £1000+ on real deal gear and look down on those that can't afford/want to pay the insane prices for stuff like crye. Clothing won't make me play any better and I'd be so afraid of ruining it I wouldn't enjoy my day at all (plus they don't do fat boy sizes).
If you want to run around the woods with a £2k load out, power to you but that doesn't mean the player in surplus shop camo, cheap vest and a cheap gun is any less of a person than you. I can guarantee the surplus shop homie is having a much better time.
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Imo from what i've seen of airsoft "reviews" the standard formula seems to be:
-intro sting
-unbox and take a bunch of pretty pictures
-talk about how ambidextrous it is/isnt
-point out which parts are metal or not
-criticise it for not being ambidextrous enough
-chrono it
-praise it for being ambidextrous
-optional sponsor segment
-shoot it on a 10m indoor range
-claim it would shoot better if the mag release was ambidextrous
-review the grouping and declare it the most accurate airsoft gat ever
-mention which ambidextrous controls are made of metal
-outro sting/channel patch plug
Given how little information is actually communicated, its kinda impossible for it to be biased in a way that would actually matter for making an informed purchasing decision.
That said, on a more serious note the airsoft review channels are usually either run by shops, or reliant on shops/manufacturers giving them guns to review, in both cases thats a massive conflict of interest.
Looking to forums, actual owners who paid money you're going to get a more honest answer, but an answer that can run afoul of sunk cost or lack of experience meaning the information whilst truthful might also be incorrect.
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There is definitely snobbery in things like loadouts, RIFs and the playing style. I'd been on the receiving end of it as a P90 user as people looked down on it with unsolicited put-downs. They went quiet when I asked about the P90 setup they weren't running and what compelled them to make my setup all about them. One player was annoyed later in the day as I shot him with with the same P90 he thought was crap.
There is also some snobbery with wearing Crye, Warrior, military surplus gear over repro. In my experience, that snobbery is in the minority as most of us understand everybody has their individual preferences and circumstances.As Cannonfodder said, the comments about the master race is more often than not said tongue in cheek. I still run AEGs (namely either of my P90s and an Ares PDW) every now and then but since using GBBR, I do call it the master race entirely in jest.
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Another common problem with YouTube reviews is that the reviewer often has new gun syndrome where everything is shiny, new and wonderful. What you rarely hear about is whether it's still working or shit the bed 6 months later.
I should add that while there are some with their heads up their own arses they're definitely the minority and can easily be identified and ignored or avoided
I should add that while there are some with their heads up their own arses they're definitely the minority and can easily be identified and ignored or avoided
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