"the punching video" how would you react?

[team flex]

not sure if I should ask for a name, I will search it later though. Seeing as everyone else is saying about cheaters, I would live to chime in. A don't come across many, I only play at one site though. The big one I always remember was only a month or two back, however it got me pretty angry. It was a kid younger than me, and there are a lot of young people at this site. I still look back to this day and wonder whether I should have stepped in on a case where he advised a group of 10 young players to go to jbbg and how they were awesome. I regret it, but I didn't want to get into an argument, I just hope they didn't do as he told them. Bear in mind he was using a bright orange ak-47 with a bright orange desert eagle that would vent gas every time it shot like it was free as well as a gopro...

Back to the story, he turned up and was renting this time, funny that. Anyway, all day he was bragging about how good he was etc, and there were a few sniper rifles there that time including my mates who I was borrowing. He has put a lot of money into it and it is certainly pretty damn good, and expensive too. But not as good as this guys...

By the time we were playing on the first game it was apparent he wasn't having it. after shooting him a few times, He wouldn't take it so I gave up and attacked from a new corner. But in one of the middle games it was blatantly obvious. I saw him about 70 metres back. Shot at him with my mate's sniper. IK I may have not hit him but I was sure I saw him flinch. He kept advancing... Ok, shot him again 50 metres, 30 and then pulled out the pistol and emptied the mag on him. Still nothing. By the way, my mate had let rip with a hicap on him as well. We informed the team as he literally ran from no cover around our base with about 10 guys shooting him. I'm serious....

Didn't call it. In the end he ran towards us, emptied 50 rounds on him and nothing. I even saw them hit him, he was about 15 metres away. The whole team did it. No hits taken....

Then it was the end, and everyone was going WTF?!?! I went up and asked him if he was hit and his answer was, and I quote this "I don't know mate, don't think so"

We are talking about a 500 fps sniper at 20 ish metres away, as well as the whole team... In the end the marshall kept telling him, and so the marshall got his gun out and started playing to make sure he was taking his hits... I think he left early.

It may sound harsh but this happened the whole day, and everyone had had enough. He had plenty of chances and we let it go a few times, but it was ridiculous..

Bloddy hell that was a long story...

 

[Samurai]

Usually after the second or third shot I'm sure is on target, I go for the head. That works like a charm.

 

[Snakeeyes75]

So I've only played twice. First Skirmish was spot on, no issues! I think a couple of people weren't taking their hits but not enough to ruin the day. The 2nd time there was a group of 17/18 year olds (That's not me being age'st, just an observation) that were clearly making their own rules up regarding "Dead men don't talk" and "Medic'ing", again they didn't ruin the day but I don't get their logic! It's a game and I take it for what it is. The only "Jip" I got was from a kid about 14ish that asked me "Why you f*****g standing back here? all the action is over here" to which I replied, "I'm lost! I've spent 5 mins looking for the respawn" lol... My local site have a strict no fighting rule, you do it and you're out forever!

 

[Steelrain]

It's a game, some fun, everyone should be there to enjoy themselves but at the same time of it being a game, rules should be followed.. I'm happy in the knowledge that I'm not a cheat and if I've hit someone that doesn't wanna call it (paintball does have the advantages of leaving a mark mind, lol) more for them, I'll just bonus ball 'em

Usually after the second or third shot I'm sure is on target, I go for the head. That works like a charm.

 

[Monty]

Found another video, this time you can see what the little scrub looks like.

2:12 mark, it's the guy with the patch on his arm

4:39 mark, same guy assaults another player on the same day.

He's been banned from the site, according to the people that run Miami Airsoft.

What I noticed is that 5:12 he walks away saying "it's my training sir, special forces" ..Stolen valor?

 

[Samurai]

Thanks for this video. Now I know I'll never go to a site like this. Running around with a small shield in one hand is too unrealistic to my taste. My special forces training about CQB was something entirely different.

 

[jcheeseright]

That shield would have really really annoyed me, using it to block a window so you can fire but not be fired upon? F*ck off.

 

[Monty]

That shield would have really really annoyed me, using it to block a window so you can fire but not be fired upon? F*ck off.

Being hit in the face for no reason would have annoyed me more, but that's just me.

 

[jcheeseright]

I think that one is pretty much a given!

 

[Airsoft-Ed]

He didn't seem to do it with any aggression though, it was weird.

 

[Monty]

He didn't seem to do it with any aggression though, it was weird.

Probably a bit of a nut job.

 

[Mr Monkey Nuts]

[Controversial]

Am I watching different videos to you guys? Neither of those are what I would call "punches". They were open handed gestures first and foremost.

The incident in the second video (4.39) isn't even aggressive, he comes round the corner, gets hit, raises his hand and clips the camera, he clearly clips the camera and not the players face and he clearly does it with an open palm, then stops to apologise immediately. That is not a punch, not aggressive and not pre meditated in any way, shape or form in my book.

The first one is a bit less clear cut, and I can see why the "assailant" would be pissed off. First he has come into their spawn, that in its self is frustrating. Second the "victim" is shooting point black inches away from his face, and his very last shot seems aimed directly at his face. It would take an awful lot of tolerance to be happy with that situation.

He doesn't punch the guy, he grabs at his chest with an open palm .... my assumption is to stop him from shooting inches away from his face.

Now the "victim" is clearly a twit, running and gunning at point blank, rushing spawn points and that shield work speaks for itself. He is the guy I hate playing with and IMO he is in need of being put in his place, however I will never condone that starting a fight is the way to do it.

The "assailant" is also a twit for thinking that is the appropriate way to deal with it.

To me this comes down to two twitish personalities clashing at the wrong time and place, both parties are in the wrong.

 

[Ian_Gere]

To me this comes down to two twitish personalities clashing at the wrong time and place, both parties are in the wrong.

Yeah, that is my take on it. Ban them both for a month or two at most.

On the subject of shields: I don't believe they should be allowed at all unless they are as heavy as something that would be real steel rifle bulletproof. If that is the case, fine, do whatever you like with it - there's no need for any further rules, but 'blind firing' should be strictly enforced, so if you peep round an opaque shield and then pull your head back before pulling the trigger, that's cheating.

 

[kriegar]

We have riot shields at IronSight, they cover roughly shoulder to knee so you can crouch behind them and cover up but you are not allowed to fire a weapon at all while using one.

 

[chris555]

i so nearly did go ballistic guy was not taking his hits i could sear i was hitting him clear as day he hit me so i called hit he stopped shooting as i went to stand up from nealing, he shoots me in the face on auto. Enraged i pick up my gun on full auto with its drum mag and just start firing. Walking and cursing towards him he then decides to scarper before receiving a inevitable kicking along with the rest of his team. so i can see how these things happen

 

[jcheeseright]

i so nearly did go ballistic guy was not taking his hits i could sear i was hitting him clear as day he hit me so i called hit he stopped shooting as i went to stand up from nealing, he shoots me in the face on auto. Enraged i pick up my gun on full auto with its drum mag and just start firing. Walking and cursing towards him he then decides to scarper before receiving a inevitable kicking along with the rest of his team. so i can see how these things happen

not gonna lie mate, this makes you sound like the problem and not the solution.

 

[Ian_Gere]

not gonna lie mate, this makes you sound like the problem and not the solution.

Yeah, I was thinking, "Real your neck in, mate." I mean, when something happens and you immediately react, that's one thing, but after the first step of walking over to somebody that's surely time to think, "This is not going to end well..."

One time somebody used a bunch of dead men walking as cover to walk right up to a bunch of 3 of us - it was a night game, we were standing behind netting which, for the purposes of the game, was considered hard cover and, since they seemed to be bimbling along in the general direction of their regen, but in a night game you can never be too sure, one of us shouted to ask if they were dead men (I forget: could have been me, could have been a couple of us) and a few shouts in the affirmative came back... so we go back to our tactical discussion (and for a change I use the word correctly as we were discussing tactics). Out of the corner of my eye I was aware of someone walking towards us, but I wasn't concerned because dead men are no threat and at least one of the 3 of us was looking in that direction so I assumed that if we had anything to worry about he would alert us.

So to get to where we were without lifting the net this person had to move completely out of my sight and perhaps that is why I turned around and took a couple of steps towards him. I wasn't thinking about it, even though in hindsight I realised that I did know he was the opposition, because Tris is, by even the most charitable assessment, one of the most rotund players currently active in the UK, so it's not as if I could not notice even out of the corner of my eye... so he bimbles up, produces his pistol from behind his back and pops me twice in the belly from about 2.5-3m away, gets both my mates and takes a 50/50 from one iirc. I was fucking fuming. I mean, apart from the cheating, it hurt. So I lost it for a sec, stepped up and shouted in his face, "You fucking arsehole, Tris!" It was aggressive and, subconsciously, I spose I did mean it to be.

In that moment, if he had given me some lip back and it had not seemed funny (and to be fair, coming from Tris, some aggressive rejoinder could well have done), I may have shoved him over/thrown him to the floor. It's unlikely I would have punched him, because that's not really my modus operandi, even when I've been assaulted, but that's not the issue. The point is that I can't be certain that I would not have initiated violence in the heat of the moment. But from the shots in the UBACS covered belly to the syllable "Tris!" took no more than 1.5 seconds, if I'd had to walk over to him, I know I'd have had my shit together and, no matter how egregious I considered the offence or how annoyed I was, I would never initiate violence without first, at the very least, yelling at someone.

I consider that my behaviour was out of order and if the marshals had excluded me from the rest of the night's play (since booting a non-driver off site in the middle of night would not have been much of an option), I would have understood and not complained. I would have gracefully accepted a month ban even. However I would have insisted that Tris was also censured for his behaviour.

This did cause a storm in a tea cup a few days later when he attempted to lie his way out of his part in the whole debacle, but this was pure keyboard warrior stylee an ting. On the night in question I apologised to him maybe an hour after swearing at him, at my first opportunity, and the 3 of us told him that we considered what he had done to be not technically 100% cheating, but definitely borderline and totally against the spirit of the game, to which he replied that he understood. A few days later he claimed to have not understood what we were talking about, to have thought what we said "weird", and that his 'sneaking' over to us had nothing to do with our challenging the dead men walking... yeah, obviously that was true... my arse. TBH I was actually more angry with him for impugning my honesty later than the original offence and, rest assured, within the letter of the rules (in exactly the same way as he behaved), at some point I will have my revenge on the lying shitbag.

Anyway, no action was taken and, despite the fact that rules were broken, I don't believe any was needed. I spose that since I do intend to make Tris rue the day he called me a liar, we could take the view that some intervention by marshals and a definitive conclusion brought about would have been a better outcome, but since he lied his arse off later, I have no reason to doubt that he would have lied his arse off at the time, so what could a marshal have actually done? Well, 3 against 1 is usually to be believed, but honestly, even though I know what did happen, I would not be comfortable with bans being handed out on hearsay and what else can a marshal do that does actually mean something? I often think that we should use a sin bin approach, so that minor infractions of the rules can be punished without marshals having to make a decision that really pisses players off, in which case people would be a lot less willing to bend rules or break minor rules, acting in ways which do provoke people to genuine anger, and if that were the case, we would not see as much bad behaviour as a result...

But when I'm considering what, if any, measures need to be taken over someone's behaviour in game, this is the incident I compare it to. I don't just think about the incident itself though, but what happened after and how I, being culpable, would have reacted to the kind of pitchforks and torches stylee an ting which we've seen around this subject. If I had been banned from airsoft in the UK for life over this, if it had got worse, Tris would have a reason to be genuinely worried, whereas as it stands, unless he sees me kitting up in the safe zone, he probably never even thinks of the incident.

 

[chris555]

ian i would agree with you walking over to some one it probably wont end well. but i had just been shot full auto in the face while trying to stand by some one who knew plainly i had called hit (rifle on the ground arms waving and he stopped shooting). the marshal that saw it agreed that i should not be cursing and over killing back, but let it go because he was plainly in the wrong. i also think he knew he was wrong because he ran away quite quickly. normally i dont get anywhere near that angry in game just saying how i can see these things getting a little out of hand.

 

[Ian_Gere]

Well yeah, Chris, I do totally understand, but in the same way that I feel fully justified in yelling at Tris, but nonetheless acknowledge that I was bang out of order, I would hope to find you a bit more contrite than you seem to be. Did you apologise for your bad behaviour?

 

[chris555]

ian i am quite friendly in real life and fairly chilled while playing air soft. i just lost it being deliberate over-killed in the face. unfortunately there was no talking about it after the match i have absolute no idea who the guy was and despite having the only Russian red ak at apocalypse no one came to say anything in the safe zone.