"the punching video" how would you react?

[Del Monty]

A One month ban is just ludicrous .. but fair play to the Marshal for stepping in, I know most that wouldn't give a shit.

 

[NickM]

Physical violence towards anyone is wrong, and shouldn't happen, in the heat of the moment people do stupid things. I know I get worked up sometimes in games, it never comes to anything physical other than sometime leaving a finger on a trigger for a fraction longer than necessary sometimes or more likely me becoming more shouty. This name and shame reaction and the "only one month ban, that's not enough" is also really wrong.

The site made a decision that I think is a fair one, they have both been banned for a month, its pretty much the same as teachers sending a kid out to stand outside to take a breather or a time out. For a first offence (albeit a serious one) that's probably about right, 1 month or 3 months or whatever is adequate. You will probably find it takes a while for both players to return to this site, mainly because they probably feel like prize dicks, but hopefully they will have learned.

The "but what if it had been a kid or a girl" argument is bogus. You shouldn't hit anyone period, why is hitting a man your own size or bigger or age somehow better than hitting a kid or woman? All equally wrong.

The "but they might do it again maybe at another site you should have told everyone who they were" is also bogus, a book I don't believe in quoted a mythical figure (in my eyes) who said "he who is without sin cast the first stone". How many of us have come close to or have actually ended up punching someone or had a fight over something really petty, when we did that stupid act did we feel stupid after? Did we regret it? Would we expect to be banned from something we enjoy doing because a moments stupidity. You probably used it as a learning opportunity, you sat down afterwards and replayed the whole thing over and over wishing you had done things differently.

The " site should have informed the police" .... really??? The police would ask the two parties if they wanted to take things further anyway, why not let them decide how they want it handled.

 

[Lozart]

The " site should have informed the police" .... really??? The police would ask the two parties if they wanted to take things further anyway, why not let them decide how they want it handled.

If the site had called the Police it would still only be up to the individual concerned as to whether or not he wanted to press charges. Personally I think it would be somewhat of an overreaction if the site called in the Police unless some serious level of harm had been done.

 

[Airsoft-Ed]

You will probably find it takes a while for both players to return to this site, mainly because they probably feel like prize dicks, but hopefully they will have learned.

Yup, my thoughts exactly. A more lengthy ban would serve no real purpose as the staff and player's evident disapproval is easily punishment enough and will act as its own sentence.

Also couldn't agree more on the police involvement front, calling them will probably just make things worse. No one wants the pressure of the rozzers looming over them.

As the site said in response to people's outcries on my wall, "It is not the place of myself or my staff to call the police unless they feel a situation is out of control. Before you all jump down my throat YES, the moment of the punch was 'out of control' but as the marshal arrived almost immediately afterwards both players parted and peace was restored."

 

[BrightCandle]

Physical violence at my local site will get you an immediate and permanent ban. None of this 1 month rubbish, you are gone for good.

 

[Sitting Duck]

Physical violence needs to be dealt with properly and fairly but also without making a rush decision

Both suspended/chucked off for the day, check and not rushed decision if going down a lengthy or perm ban

Just pointing out - yes it takes 2 to to make an argument but sometimes one party is more the agressor than the other

so any severe or extreme long term ban needs to be implemented with a bit of care

Marshals or the site also needs to ensure everybody plays fair and respects rules and other players

if the site fails to do this - then the site itself can suffer if members say forget this and go elsewhere

(regular non-hit takers, abusive players, or site/marshals failing in their duties - these can ruin a site's rep/business)

Or the site could implement a parental approach to physical violence eg the classic Parent to Child scenario:

"Don't" - WHACK

"hit" - WHACK

"your"- WHACK

"little"- WHACK

"brother"- WHACK

"That"- WHACK

"is"- WHACK

"spiteful"- WHACK WHACK

You soon learnt NOT to answer back or question anything that provoked a further response = more slaps

Just gotta love the ironic way we was told by parents violence solves nothing as I was told:

"because I said so" - WHACK WHACK WHACK WHACK

Ahh well, think the situation was dealt with - certainly better than the parental technique

 

[jeffery7466]

The marshal did his job, and a punishment that they deemed appropriate was given. I'd say case closed.

I've lost my temper before because a player would not take hits, but nothing physical like that, just a bit of cursing. But in hindsight, even that was inappropriate. Though the site I played on had NO marshals, just the guy who walked us to the arena.

 

[BunkeredSphinx]

Would have asked myself if it was a slap or a punch. then grabbed the guys gun and wrapped it round a tree, then handed it back to him.

Actually punching someone over a game is stupid as the guy who swung the punch should be banned for a lot longer.

ok the guy didn't have his hand up but you can see him walking back and know you have hit him, if a player starts screaming and getting in your face call a marshal and walk away. its the sites responsibility if they want players to come back to kick out the douches and keep the rest having fun.

 

[two_zero]

since watching a video that was posted about the airsofter being punched in the face i've wondered to myself how others deal with certain situations....

for example this weekend just gone i was at a local skirmish.
i managed to sneak round the side of the enemy advance and creep up on two guys by keeping my back to them so they couldn't see the colour of my band without asking for it first (yes maybe a bit sneaky but by no means breaking any rules) as i get close i "knife" kill both of the guys i was sneaking up on.
I then proceed on my merry way to try and get a few more when at this point the two lads tell the whole team i'm standing there, i'm blue and to light me up! so light me up they did!

i wasn't impressed as id done all the work of sneaking about getting two kills and not doing anything to break the rules (as they were well within their right to ask my colour and didn't!) so i speak to a Marshall and he agrees that the dead men don't talk rule was clearly broken thus my welted state. we go and speak to the lads together to work it out and then they lie about the whole thing and say id gone out of bounds, was holding my tape so they couldn't see it and that i was aggressive (not sure how whispering "knife kill" is aggressive) no i can cope with the fact that they got a group of people to light me up but then to call me a liar and lie about my actions isnt on.

i would never be physical (im in by no means a physical person in regards to fighting) but i gave them a very verbal dressing down for bringing my character into disrepute especially as everyone knows me and that i dont cheat when i play as its my local site.

my question is have you ever got into an altercation of any form as a result of a bad call or just because someone was being a bell?

Can't blame them for calling you out.. If you play foul, expect the same back. Maybe you where playing within the rules, but you where not exactly being a gentleman. Personally I would probably have shouted "hit" or "knife hit" real loud*. I would however not lie to a marshal, I would explain my point of view, and expect to hear no more about it.

*This would also probably technically not be breaking the rules either. But you wouldn't want anyone doing this to you if you sneaked up behind them, the same way you wouldn't want someone to walk up to you in a way clearly intended to cover that they where on the other team, then knife you.

I have not seen this punch video, but I have come in a bad situation once. my first skirmish. I was quite nervous due to it being my first skirmish.. the rules where explained... some people apparently think they are above listening and that it is acceptable behaving aggressively based upon not knowing the rules. attacking team have unlimited lives, and re spawn by taking 30 phases back. the defending team have one life in the first building and one in the second. once a defender die on the first building they have to WAIT dead in the second building until the marshal have declared that the first building is clear and the game moves to the second building.

Now what happened is we have taken about half of the first building. when I get shot from the second building.. oh dear.... so I retreat into a room, sit down on a bench and think "what now......". I can't see any marshal, and I decide not to call for one, after all, it is my first game, I will just let it go. Forgive and forget. I also decide that I've been sitting down for a longer time than it would take to walk 30 phases. So I come out of the room again... and I get a storm of verbal abuse from the guy who shot me and is now walking towards me. I can't recall the full conversation but I at some point said it was a gun hit (and I can not recall if it was or not... or why I would have said it was if it was not... well, except being put in a very stressed situation, being a very peaceful person having someone who resemble a football hooligan looking like he going to physically attack me) and he saying he filmed it (indeed he had a pov camera) and would hang me out... the marshal came and just tried to restore peace..

So I would be exposed on youtube to the world as a cheater, a world who like the person in question, had not heard the rules.. I have however looked for the video and never found it.

To this day I get sad thinking about this whole thing. This situation put me off very much. It changed what otherwise would have been an excellent introduction to the sport. Was I not already so set on airsoft, I would probably not have continued after this.

If the person reads this message, you can send an apology by PM.

 

[jcheeseright]

Can't blame them for calling you out.. If you play foul, expect the same back. Maybe you where playing within the rules, but you where not exactly being a gentleman. Personally I would probably have shouted "hit" or "knife hit" real loud*. I would however not lie to a marshal, I would explain my point of view, and expect to hear no more about it.

Seriously? No. Dead men DON'T TALK. If you're dumb enough to allow a member of the other team to get close enough to touch you then you deserve to take a silent knife kill and wander off back to your respawn to think about what you could have done differently (I'd suggest a colour challenge, if no answer shoot first and accept that friendly fire is a possibility!). The fact that they couldn't see his arm band is entirely irrelevant. Being a 'gentleman' is also completely irrelevant, if you're within the rules, you're within the rules. YOU shouting out 'knife hit' or whatever deliberately to give away a player's position after you were hit would be much less gentlemanly.

 

[two_zero]

Seriously? No. Dead men DON'T TALK. If you're dumb enough to allow a member of the other team to get close enough to touch you then you deserve to take a silent knife kill and wander off back to your respawn to think about what you could have done differently (I'd suggest a colour challenge, if no answer shoot first and accept that friendly fire is a possibility!). The fact that they couldn't see his arm band is entirely irrelevant. Being a 'gentleman' is also completely irrelevant, if you're within the rules, you're within the rules. YOU shouting out 'knife hit' or whatever deliberately to give away a player's position after you were hit would be much less gentlemanly.

It would be.. if he sneaked up on them from behind. Dead men dont talk, honest people don't pretend. You ask every single person you meet what team they are on?

Anyway, that's how I'd react, clearly you would have reacted differently.

 

[BrightCandle]

I was looking at F2000 reviews the other day and I came across this section at the end of one of levelcaps videos about a team they called "the terminators" who were not taking (from 7:40 if you want to just see the bit I am talking about) hits:

Admittedly this isn't coming to blows but there is a lot of aggression put out by levelcap here with all those rounds, he knows he is overkilling and he's calling out abusively. Its kind of really dumb to get down to this point, to believe that the otherside wont take its hits and then being abusive about it all. I saw a bit of this on Saturday and its really poor play in general and I think the people that do start to get this aggressive kind of need to be given the appropriate warnings and bans. None of its needed. If it gets anywhere near blows it ought to be good bye for life, no ifs or buts. But even then this video bothers me.

 

[Airsoft-Ed]

If you watch any of LevelCap's airsoft videos, then you'll realise he is the absolute OverKill King.

There's even a particularly bad instance of it in his video intro where he full autos a guy in the neck and face from about 5m away for a good second and at the time he's got a pretty blistering rof.

There's a point in one video where a guy gets a little pissy at him and in the commentary he talks about "He shouldn't have been here if he didn't want to get shot" blahblahblah.

Yeah, shot. Once. Not 50 times.

Bit of a penis imo, but his videos are good.

 

[BunkeredSphinx]

he does seem to find a lot of upset people where ever he plays....

sure I have seen him play CQB and lay about 20 rounds into some guy then moan "he is not taking hits" slam some more into him.

people do need time to react to being hit but laying 500 BB into them is foul play.

 

[CaptainDumbass]

His videos, guns, gear, camera set up and generic commentating skills are good. However i personally hate his playstyle and like Ian said, how he goes about dealing with situations such as him constantly overkilling and then just making up poor excuses as to why he does it. What gets on my tits is how he relates his tactics from when he plays battlefield. Not to mention he's sponsored by airsoft GI and the only reason he is where he is, is because he obviously gave them a good old ass licking and was given expensive shit in return.

I may just be sounding like a negative ass hole but I just get the impression because of his fancy gear and guns and 'status' on youtube & what not, he thinks hes higher than most the players in his videos...

 

[BrightCandle]

Its exactly this attitude that annoys everyone else. He doesn't seem to realise that he is the dick on the field that everyone else wishes they would ban. It'll probably happen eventually if people continuously complain about his overkill and attitude problem.

 

[jeffery7466]

Sounds like he is sponsored to ruin everybody else's day.

 

[clumpyedge]

Seriously? No. Dead men DON'T TALK. If you're dumb enough to allow a member of the other team to get close enough to touch you then you deserve to take a silent knife kill and wander off back to your respawn to think about what you could have done differently (I'd suggest a colour challenge, if no answer shoot first and accept that friendly fire is a possibility!). The fact that they couldn't see his arm band is entirely irrelevant. Being a 'gentleman' is also completely irrelevant, if you're within the rules, you're within the rules. YOU shouting out 'knife hit' or whatever deliberately to give away a player's position after you were hit would be much less gentlemanly.

It would be.. if he sneaked up on them from behind. Dead men dont talk, honest people don't pretend. You ask every single person you meet what team they are on?

Anyway, that's how I'd react, clearly you would have reacted differently.

thanks jcheeseright,

like its been said i didnt do anything wrong, the colour challenge is there for a reason.

i managed to get one up on a couple of people and they chose to take dislike to that because of their own mistake if you like. if they had asked for my colour i would have given it to them and taken the hit.

 

[CaptainSwoop]

Dead Men don't talk but you are supposed to declare your hits so shouting 'Hit' after someone else stretched the rules is OK by me.

But then I don't like 'Bang' rules and playing with rubber knives anyway.

 

[ForestFighter]

I would take a "give as good as you get" attitude regarding the whole thing. If someone had spent time and had been stealthy enough to sneak all the way up on me and take me out, I would happily take the hit silently as I respect someone's effort to do such a thing, just as I would expect them to take a hit silently, if I did so. Equally, if someone thought I was not taking my hits, then I give them full rights to light me up until I did take it. Shooting people is expressly part of the game. Why should shooting people once, twice or even ten times over be seen as negative, if it gets people whom otherwise wouldn't, to call their hits?

I personally would say that if someone is not taking a hit, when you're putting them out a few at a time, you're well within your rights as a player to give them a pasting until they stick their hand up. But the key thing here is - then you stop. It's not on to be shouting abuse and giving people overkill, even after they do finally call their hit. There should be no sense of "getting revenge" for others not taking hits or whatever, as that just ruins the game and leads to altercations like those above. There should be no bad blood between people, or things get nasty. It's the same with any sport.

With regards to the punching episode, I would say a month ban is fair. People are humans. They make mistakes. They see red mist. They push, and shout and throw punches sometimes. Giving them a bollocking and a timely ban is the right way to go. A month is enough to make you think twice before doing it again, but isn't so much as to make everyone terrified of showing even the slightest bit of emotion again. Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate violence. Things should always be settled with words first, but if there's a bit of a scuffle and the two people sort it out between them afterwards outside the heat of adrenaline in a gentlemanly fashion, then I should say there that all is forgiven.

Just my two cents. (My rusty, dented, "never actually been to a skirmish yet, so might not actually know what he's talking about" cents.)