"the punching video" how would you react?

[cropzy]

Permban the assaulter from the field and ban the other one for 1 month.

 

[Moose87]

I would say it depends entirely on how the people involved wish to take it. a month ban might not be enough depending if they only play once a month. i would say a three game ban sounds fairer but its the site decision. if the players arent complaining and its has been resolved then obviously they are happy with it.

If someones being a dick then just keep reporting them to the marshals, being aggressive to them only gets you in trouble as well. its only a game guys dont be COD softers screaming down the Mic at people.

 

[CaptainSwoop]

Permban the assaulter from the field and ban the other one for 1 month.

You have to have a sense of proportion.

We weren't involved and only have a short video out of context to go by.

We don't know the players involved or their past behavior or conduct.

We don't know how those involved acted afterwards, was there contrition or apology?

Did the 'victom' want a heavier punishment or lesser?

How culpable was he in the incident.

And so on.

At the end of the day those involved both the perps and the Marshals and management of the site resolved things. Who are we to second guess them based on a short Youtube clip?

 

[Monk]

Personally I think banning the victim was a bit much.

That's like walking down the street, having some random guy smash your face in, in front of police and you end up arrested and charged with the guy that attacked you. Obviously that's an extreme and daft analogy, but it still within the point.

Though I suppose the victim was banned because he provoked the physical attack by not calling his hit or holding his hands up.

 

[jcheeseright]

I expect the 'victim' was banned because he was gobbing off too. It's a short video that gives no context at all, he could be just as guilty as the guy who threw the punch.

 

[Monk]

I expect you are right. It's just, in my mind, even if you have a player with verbal diarrhea, responding with a physical attack is still the worse of the two issues.

I suppose though that they were free to game elsewhere and the ban only applied to that site.

 

[Moose87]

exactly he could have been gobbing off at the attacker and he had enough and smacked him.

 

[chris555]

for all we know he could one of the little wretches that thinks its funny to overkill untill they are threatened with being given a good smack in the face found my self more than once in this situation no accident either because the people where laughing about it

 

[langley863]

Im new to airsoft so can only go on what I know from my job. But we get thought when out in the field on exercise unless you reconise them you challenge them with your rifle ready I did this through out both my tours of Herrick n not once did anyone have any issues with it its just guarding the camp and its standard so a colour challenge if not issued then its a bit of a learning experience for the guys that got knifed and if it was me I'd shake the guys hand its not easy to sneak behind 2 people if there watching there lines correctly.

As for the punching again new to airsoft I did an exercise with theparas and a few mariens and they did not get along at all but they left it on the field if they got hit then they shouted good shot and if they didn't like them it didn't matter as its training and at the end they all had a beer and that was it so I can't understand why in a family environment you could act like that fair enough walk over and chat as there's two sides but you pay money to play so enjoy it. I agree with what I read earlia talk to the marshals and let them sort it andthen just crack on and have fun. Again my opinion won't be great as my 1st skirmish is this Sunday and I'm just going off what I have learnt

 

[Monty]

And another incident..

 

[Sappysid101]

What a tw*t. The kid obviously said he didn't know and seemed genuinely taken by surprise (sounds real shaky when he's on the floor).

More disgraceful is the group of airsofters watching but not intervening.

- Ant

 

[Zak Da Mack]

People who seem to do this are the ones who think this is more than just a game or those that have got wound up and have not taken the responsibility to take themselves outta the game to cool down.

 

[Chock]

Some people just take things far too seriously. Yes it is annoying when you get shot and you are out of the game, either through a misunderstanding or whatever, and yes it can sting a bit, but really, who in airsoft has never had that happen to them? Getting shot the odd time when you out of the game, or are walking to a respawn, or when someone can't see your hand up, or missed hearing you call hit or whatever, is inevitable, it is going to happen every once in a while. Thankfully most of us would simply yell 'stop fecking shooting at me' or 'dead man' or whatever, rather than resorting to throwing a punch, and if they had any other issue, would take it up with a marshall, since that is their purpose. I would suggest that the kind of person who would resort to punches rather than more civilised means, is probably the kind of person who would do so in other situations too, so frankly, I'd ban them from the site. If they can't be trusted not to slap someone over something which is inevitably going to occur once in a while, then why go further and trust them with a gun? Even an airsoft one. Fact is, it's completely unacceptable behaviour.

 

[ikarma70]

Pretty disgusting behaviour IMHO!

 

[Ian_Gere]

I think these two incidents are very different:

What happened @Skirmish involved two players who gave each other some lip and one of them threw a punch - out of order, definitely that, and rightly the subject of disciplinary action. As for the length of the ban, I think 1 month is lenient and eventually the Skirmish owners decided to extend it. That they did so tells me that they felt pressure to do so - that they were lenient at first tells me there was a lot more to it than we could see in the video. Skirmish are not hurting for green fees - if they felt that either of those involved had behaved badly enough to warrant a life ban, a life ban is what they would have dished out. There was a lot of "what if it had been..." comments here and on facebook - well, it wasn't. If it had been something else, someone else, some different circumstances, it would have been dealt with differently. That they do deal with all incidents on their individual merits is one reason why the marshalling @Skirmish is so good - there is no hard and fast 'one size fits all' response - Skirmish marshals are trained, not just airsofters who know the rules, and they are paid, not just given free games (deliberately because a paid employee either does it the way the employer wants or they get sacked, which is a different attitude to someone who is an amateur doing a favour for a favour) and, while people who love rules want them written in stone, if they, or you, visit Skirmish you just have to trust that the marshals will guide the day's play towards the most enjoyment for the most players. If you want anything else, it's tough titty. In this case the incident was between the two involved, was jumped on by the nearest marshal, and did not turn into a full on shouting match between groups of mates, or a brawl.

In the vid above the lad comes around a corner, sees the opposition and starts shooting - something any of us could do if we had lost our bearings and/or did not know the site. Nobody tells him it's their respawn, or even says, "WTF?" - the bloke nearest just lamps him. That is a full on cock. That is someone whom should be banned for a long time and whose deets should be circulated, because that is someone whom cannot be trusted. It's completely different to being involved in a row and losing your temper - it's a predisposition to punch first and think second. Nonetheless, a lifetime ban is not something I would ever recommend because it is so final that people are likely to go to great lengths to wiggle/blackmail/bully their way out of it and also likely to take revenge if they feel hard done by. I'd go with 1 year for a 1st offence, 3 for a 2nd and 5 for a 3rd...

 

[Airsoft-Ed]

10 years seems a little steep, I've not even been playing for 5 yet and loads has changed. Anything more than 3 might see all their kit out dated at the rate things are changing.

Though I guess there being consequences is the whole point of a punishment in the first place. 10 years though =/ I bet there are few people who keep it up for that long even if they're properly into it.

 

[Ian_Gere]

10 years seems a little steep, I've not even been playing for 5 yet and loads has changed. Anything more than 3 might see all their kit out dated at the rate things are changing.

Though I guess there being consequences is the whole point of a punishment in the first place. 10 years though =/ I bet there are few people who keep it up for that long even if they're properly into it.

Well yeah - i was only suggesting that after a 3rd offence of blatantly punching somebody without even speaking to them first, a pretty harsh punishment would be in order.

 

[joshcowin]

I've had 2 experiences now both with cheat calling and both times a marshal was nearby to see if I was hit

First was as a site where we had to attack the fort at the top of this hill was hiding behind cover popped my head to have a look then straight back down behind the steel barricade,next thing a enemy player calls timeout and runs down the hill to me (waddle) got about an inch from my face ( I think he wanted a kiss) and started shouting "I know I f****ng hit you it's people like you who ruin the game" at this point the marshal stepped in and told him he was shooting 2foot to the right and to stop the attitude,off he went up to the top again. Bearing in mind the player in question is a big name in airsoft,leader of the black wolves airsoft team and a ex soldier

 

[jcheeseright]

I've had 2 experiences now both with cheat calling and both times a marshal was nearby to see if I was hit

First was as a site where we had to attack the fort at the top of this hill was hiding behind cover popped my head to have a look then straight back down behind the steel barricade,next thing a enemy player calls timeout and runs down the hill to me (waddle) got about an inch from my face ( I think he wanted a kiss) and started shouting "I know I f****ng hit you it's people like you who ruin the game" at this point the marshal stepped in and told him he was shooting 2foot to the right and to stop the attitude,off he went up to the top again. Bearing in mind the player in question is a big name in airsoft,leader of the black wolves airsoft team and a ex soldier

I know exactly who you're talking about. Complete nob, drank his own Kool Aid and genuinely believes he's the be all and end all of airsoft.

 

[Monty]

I know exactly who you're talking about. Complete nob, drank his own Kool Aid and genuinely believes he's the be all and end all of airsoft.

This guy sounds like he's got nothing else going for him, a loser to be more specific.