Skara
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They'd sell thousands though.
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the great airsoft robbery, or how much would you pay?
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AlphaBear
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They also said the the new EPM1 mag will also be delayed... they only shipped a 1000 units to dealers in the states in the so called first wave...
On a secondary note why the hell did they call the new EPM mags EPM1?
Lozart
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Pretty much anything made in China is delayed.
It's the EPM1 because it's a development of the EPM. Apparently there's an EPM2 out there too.
Zarrin
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Yeah exactly, I remember going in and buying my first 1911 meu from wolf armouries.. settled on the WE at about 100 quid, but the fella was half trying to push the TM on me, i cant quite remember but I think it may have been about 200 quid. I gave him the ol cave man 'metal goooood... plastic baaaad', but the only thing that really shooed him away was when I go... 'look mate, i hardly ever use my sidearm, I really just want a cool looking 1911' - ty WE at half the price and weighted like a rock ?.
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AlphaBear
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Maybe their thinking was the original EPM was now EPM0 and now this second version 200 capacity one is the 1 and so on? God knows what this EPM2 version could be? Next Gen perhaps? Or a larger capacity than 200? It's like iPhone speculation lol
Talking of capacity, Foxconn announced that the iPhone plant is running at 25% capacity! That's just putting things into perspective now.
Stratton Oakmont
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Lozart
Your products ain't made in Hong Kong, it's not the 1970's
china can and will copy anything you want, at any quality level required it comes down to cost
you want it cheaper, they cut production costs /quality.
you want it really cheap to undercut the poor devil who developed it to an expensive, reliable spec then you won't get the same product it will just look like it. Then it will fail.
musica
a quality item item is exactly that, doesn't matter how often you use it.
i could use my Tm hi capa every day or once a month, compared to a we equivalent it functions better, on a price per use case that comes down to whether you can afford/justify the extra expense
In general
armourers works are considered a bargain and well worth the extra money over a standard WE model in action air BUT nobody who wants to rely on the function of their hicapa in competition builds on one as a base model
If you just want a pistol to hang on your belt to look cool buy the cheapest but don't expect it to perform like a Tm and by all means entertain me how your p.o.s never lets you down, can hit the other side of the moon and cost half that of a Tm. It will, it can't and it's cheap because it's heavy tinpot metal.
Your products ain't made in Hong Kong, it's not the 1970's
china can and will copy anything you want, at any quality level required it comes down to cost
you want it cheaper, they cut production costs /quality.
you want it really cheap to undercut the poor devil who developed it to an expensive, reliable spec then you won't get the same product it will just look like it. Then it will fail.
musica
a quality item item is exactly that, doesn't matter how often you use it.
i could use my Tm hi capa every day or once a month, compared to a we equivalent it functions better, on a price per use case that comes down to whether you can afford/justify the extra expense
In general
armourers works are considered a bargain and well worth the extra money over a standard WE model in action air BUT nobody who wants to rely on the function of their hicapa in competition builds on one as a base model
If you just want a pistol to hang on your belt to look cool buy the cheapest but don't expect it to perform like a Tm and by all means entertain me how your p.o.s never lets you down, can hit the other side of the moon and cost half that of a Tm. It will, it can't and it's cheap because it's heavy tinpot metal.
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Question for all:
Some here have a issue with clones massively undercutting the original product/developers, but what about people, players or 3rd parties who can (& do) 3d print & copy items that were previously made by bona-fide manufacturers.
Yep I know we're not talking about intricate mechanical items, but surely we're still "taking food from the mouths" from those who developed & sold the originals ?
Double standards ?
Some here have a issue with clones massively undercutting the original product/developers, but what about people, players or 3rd parties who can (& do) 3d print & copy items that were previously made by bona-fide manufacturers.
Yep I know we're not talking about intricate mechanical items, but surely we're still "taking food from the mouths" from those who developed & sold the originals ?
Double standards ?
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Adolf Hamster
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interesting point, although i must admit i don't do much 3-d printing for airsoft because i really don't like the tech.
i have a few parts i want to have a crack at, but they're my own design and primarily just a test-fitment before dropping the cash on getting stuff cnc machined properly.
Stratton Oakmont
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I wish this were the case but then what would I moan about on here?
Skara
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Not really.
I'll put it this way.
Company A makes and sells X.
B (either a company or an individual) takes X, changes the few things that are wrong with it, effectively improving the product, and sells it.
Note: Using better materials to me means improving the product even if the design is the exact same.
In this case I'm buying from B, because it is an improvement over the original X design.
Company A makes and sells X.
B copies the design without any actual modification and sells it (equal or lower quality, so definitely not an improvement over the original X)
B can suck a big fat one, I'm buying from A because it's 100% their work.
Also, what @Adolf Hamster stated is the main point of owning/using a 3D printer, the creation of a prototype to test fittings and overall design before splashing monies on the finished product.
Jaylordofwaargh
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There are some great points on market forces on here.
My perspective as a budget softer is making it really hard to buy accessories, for example why would I drop £40 (sale price) on a t1 red dot when my pew shooter only cost £75....
Which is why I have made the decision to buy a more expensive gun.....
That's a perfect example of airsoft logic.
Only beaten by biker logic - spending ~£800 on new leathers "because they don't match the colour of my new bike"!
Rogerborg
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I sometimes add up how much I've spent on toy guns and toy gun accessories, and twitch a bit.
Then I look in the garage and I laugh and laugh and laugh.
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Makes perfect sense. You can’t wear mismatching leathers. Colour co-ordination is important. It’s like wearing white socks. What’s that all about? Or having a tan gun and wearing soldier 95 kit. No no no. OCD!
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AlphaBear
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Don't spray if you can help it... buy a replacement or aftermarket one depending on which gun you have....
If you do have to spray then make sure you get the right paint... don't know which ones people use though....
Jaylordofwaargh
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Did you miss the bit where I have trouble spending 40 quid on a good red dot? I have marked 20% (of pew price, not retail or worth, just flat what I paid for it) a rough limit on accessories. Still cringing at the thought of paying £12 for a grip.
Joking aside - I'm budget softer
AlphaBear
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Ahhhh sorry... missed that point.. Halfords for paint then... £6 for a can of matt black aerosol... wash your grip first with hot soapy water.. then let it dry 24 hrs... once dry spray the grip... 2 coats over 48 hrs should do it...
Lozart
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Yeah...you may have picked the wrong hobby.
Have you considered crocheting instead?
Jaylordofwaargh
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So yeah about that... (yes yarn comes in all shapes and qualities and sizes) hooking is not so cheap, only using yarn about £6 per ball a 6x4ft blanket can cost up to £120...then you have these ? (not random websites my partner is a hooker [insert misogynistic joke here, but it is a name they use...they do use hooks])
Anyway next pew will be a gsg g14 with stuff attached. But with spending that much on a rif I can spend more on accessories. I'm not poor per say, just cheap
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