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Comfort levels in CQB

And we are officially back to the Stone Age with the speedsoft hate.

 
Musica said:
We aren't allowed to drop pyro through a window without looking down for fear there might be someone crouched or prone under it. And if you throw pyro above knee height your getting a talking to by a marshal paper or metal. 
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Funnily enough that's exactly what happened to my ex. She was crouched down under a window and someone posted a bfg and it hit her head and singed her hair. She wasn't actually hurt but goddamn did she put on a performance.

Funny thing is the guy who posted it thought I was in that room (I had been up until about 2 minutes before the incident)

 
Skara said:
And we are officially back to the Stone Age with the speedsoft hate.
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I mean, we aren't. Last two posts are appreciating speedsoft played well in that first video.

The second video is just an obnoxious dick who happens to be a speedsofter.

I'm not gonna lie, it's not my cup of tea, I'd just play paintball if it was, but I can appreciate the skill presented by the bloke in the first video.

 
Sawyer said:
I mean, we aren't. Last two posts are appreciating speedsoft played well in that first video.

The second video is just an obnoxious dick who happens to be a speedsofter.

I'm not gonna lie, it's not my cup of tea, I'd just play paintball if it was, but I can appreciate the skill presented by the bloke in the first video.
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Also, I don't know if you noticed, but they are not only 2 completely different styles, they're from 2 completely different continents.

OOF Airsoft is a UK team, which plays by the UK rules.

OC Airsoft (the DSG Justice guy) is from the US o(o)f A. Different rules, different fps/J limits. Different mindset really.

So what is a dick move to us Europeans may be 100% fine for them.

From what I recall OC is playing at Game Pod, which is a very well known field in the US (should be the largest indoor airsoft site in the whole planet) and, sadly, very well known for people not calling their hits, hence the dumb videos.

Anyway my point stands, prefiring a corner knowing there is an opponent on the other side is fine. Scares him so he tries to hide rathern than preparing a shot on you.

Prefiring a corner for the sake of doing so is just a waste of bbs and gives away your position.

But it's also fine for me, I mean, you want to waste ammo and let the whole field know you're there? Be my guest.

Already said what the dick move is imo.

 
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I think its been mentioned before in this thread but ammo limits seem to be a good way to solve a lot of issues

 
MAX DICKER said:
I think its been mentioned before in this thread but ammo limits seem to be a good way to solve a lot of issues
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Milsims have ammo limits, but still there's a lot of overshooting going on (just check one of Jet's videos on his milsim adventures).

It's not the ammo count, it's the mindset ;)

 
Skara said:
Milsims have ammo limits, but still there's a lot of overshooting going on (just check one of Jet's videos on his milsim adventures).

It's not the ammo count, it's the mindset ;)
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Milsim attracts a very different type of dick though. Where "speedsofters" (we need a different name to differentiate between the actual speedsofters and the dicks) are more "win at all costs", the milsim dick tends to be more focused on fulfilling their own power fantasies, hence the elitism and tantrums. A good example of this is one of Airsoft Alfonse's recent videos where someone started shouting and swearing at him for throwing a grenade through a door the enemy team was barricading and holding the door shut

 
I'm equal opportunities. I hate everyone.

ARP9 drum mag users slightly more than everyone else though ?

 
DrAlexanderTobacco said:
Is everyone who's against prefiring OK with posting paper pyro round a corner, through a window, over a hill, up some stairs?
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No I'm not, because you could be posting it into someone face, or hood.  That could still happen anyway even if you can see where it's going, but it's more likely if you're blind-throwing.

The Depot has just threatened to blanket ban all pyro because folk keep doing exactly that.

 
Rogerborg said:
No I'm not, because you could be posting it into someone face, or hood.  That could still happen anyway even if you can see where it's going, but it's more likely if you're blind-throwing.

The Depot has just threatened to blanket ban all pyro because folk keep doing exactly that.
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Seriously? That would diminish my love of that site. I never use pyro but it would be a shame if it was banned

 
Robert James said:
Pre firing a corner is horse shit

Suppressive fire when you know without doubt somebody is there is a helpful tactic when helping team mates progress. 
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I agree, I think because I still think we should honour (within reason), the basics of real life firefights that we attempt to portray with our toys, not necessarily in a milsim way, but for example, to the best of my knowledge, no professional army or le trains assaulers to "pre-fire" a corner before or during the maneuver around it, too likely to encounter a "dead mans click" at the worst possible moment, but obviously having a third party suppressing a corner just prior to you attacking it is fine in both airsoft & real life, with all the friendly fire risks that go with it.........obviously real life peeps don't have hicaps ?.

regarding the pyro issues, I've not used any for a few years, my dynatecs gathering dust, but posting any pyro around corners in to rooms etc without logging the position of all occupants has always been the norm, once you've established a rooms occupied, any further peeking tends to get a bb in the mush (don't effin start?), & as most sites are fairly restrictive on brands & types allowed, injuries are hopefully minimal risk.

in fact most injuries I've seen are to the pyro owner, usually minor burns from accidentally setting them off while trying to pull them from pouches, & on one occasion a bfg being lobbed over a 15ft wall & hitting someone on the nut ?.

H&S is paramount, no doubt, but how far do we go before we take all the fun out of it ?

 
Tackle said:
I agree, I think because I still think we should honour (within reason), the basics of real life firefights that we attempt to portray with our toys, not necessarily in a milsim way, but for example, to the best of my knowledge, no professional army or le trains assaulers to "pre-fire" a corner before or during the maneuver around it, too likely to encounter a "dead mans click" at the worst possible moment, but obviously having a third party suppressing a corner just prior to you attacking it is fine in both airsoft & real life, with all the friendly fire risks that go with it.........obviously real life peeps don't have hicaps ?.

regarding the pyro issues, I've not used any for a few years, my dynatecs gathering dust, but posting any pyro around corners in to rooms etc without logging the position of all occupants has always been the norm, once you've established a rooms occupied, any further peeking tends to get a bb in the mush (don't effin start?), & as most sites are fairly restrictive on brands & types allowed, injuries are hopefully minimal risk.

in fact most injuries I've seen are to the pyro owner, usually minor burns from accidentally setting them off while trying to pull them from pouches, & on one occasion a bfg being lobbed over a 15ft wall & hitting someone on the nut ?.

H&S is paramount, no doubt, but how far do we go before we take all the fun out of it ?
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Should play on a soft grassy field, with soft cover (inflatable maybe) , small area with lots of marshalls to watch it, rof and joule limits harshly enforced, no pyro.

oh wait

 
MAX DICKER said:
Seriously? That would diminish my love of that site. I never use pyro but it would be a shame if it was banned
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As @Musica says, they're not that keen on it to begin with as it's a cheap way of getting kills without actually going to the bother of shooting anyone.  Which is one reason I'm using it so much now, given my geezer reactions and vendor trash guns. ;)  

Pyro rules are below knee height and short distances, or if you put it over a barrier or through a window, it needs to be posted downwards and you have to see where it will land.  They say this at every safety briefing, and it's really not hard to stick to.

And yet folk are still hoiking pyro upwards, high and/or blind, particularly with disposable which I've seen bouncing off the ceiling at times.

So far it's just a warning, but it's come from the chief marshal and then the site owner bestirred himself too to confirm that a blanket ban wasn't off the cards, so they really are getting fed up with it.

I've just bought another 200 primers, so I'm certainly hoping that a few Phantom Frag Flingers don't ruin it for everyone else.

 
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