As a new player, since December, how do I deal with cheaters?

[fingerpuk]

I’ve had two very toxic game days recently, since it got hot - maybe that’s why. But flat out not calling hits, complaining when you neck shot them to get them to accept the kill, refusing to respawn, the marshals being unwilling or unable to deal with them, full auto in CQB because “it’s not CQB unless we’re inside mate”, or throwing grenades and being unwilling to accept that if I’m behind a wall I’m not dead.

I’m usually very chill, I take hits when I back into a twig. I took a hit when a Pigeon dropped something on me. But today I was so tempted to just refuse to, because the cheating was extreme.

It’s not the rentals either but the people with the £700 GBBs and all the gear. Is this the state of the game now? Do I just use a DMR and aim for the neck? Is this why Mustang goes for head shots? Or am I just being a bit of a baby?

Got my best kills to date though today, feel proud of them. Sneaking up on 6 snipers with my M4 and wiping them out. Lovely.

 

[hitmanNo2]

Transition to face shots for people that don't like taking their hits.
Explain once why you're not dead as behind cover and then if they carry on whining, just only respond with "goo goo gaa gaa". They'll either get absolutely fuming or get the message and walk off.
If you experience poor marshalling, leave honest reviews of the site online.

It's simply not worth caring anymore about losers.

 

[Galvatron]

If marshals refuse to deal with cheating, consider calling out it on a review site or social media though if the marshals already have a bad attitude, that's probably the last time you'll play at the site until there's a change in management/ownership.

If you believe there's been cheating and site staff do nothing about it, there's not much else you can do other than vote with your wallet and not return and call it out with a review. One site operating in the North West and West Midlands won't get my custom because its owner has been shown on video being an absolute shit to a player calling out hit taking that took a magazine of rounds to be called by other players. He's also reportedly got his own cabal of regular customers who get away with all sorts of cheating and he does nothing about it because he is happy to take their money.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there is literally no alternative other than to move site in hope of finding a better quality target.

I've fallen down all the rabbit holes, thinking moar dakka would cure the cheating issue, if they wont call one then just send more until they get the memo.... Problem is the end of that road is a 40+rps hpa setup where your minimum volley is 5 rounds. Sadly those covered in sufficient plot armour can and will shrug off a broadside from a 40-mike so all your brrt cannon will acheive is pissing off the actually decent player onsite whilst your still raging at non hit-taking

Few sites actually mean what they say when they claim to ban cheaters, end of the day unless they see more money lost by letting certain folk play than booting them they'll keep letting them on regardless.

 

[fingerpuk]

Ok. So laugh it off, shoot for the face Olof they don’t take the hit, and hit the marshals in the knees from a hidden spot if they’re crap.

Got it.

Forgot to say that today a guy has a grenade go bang whilst on him. He shouted no hit

 

[Colin Allen]

Unfortunately, Galvatron and Herr Hamster are correct; you will find people who cheat at all sites and marshalling is never as good as it should be, except in those halcyon days when Dave, Nathan and I used to marshal together .

If a site does not work for you, try others; if it is the only one within whatever you regard as a reasonable travelling distance, then either put up with it or find another hobby, the latter being what my eldest did, although I do think that going from airsoft to Iron Man events and triathlons was a somewhat extreme step.

It does very often tend to be the guys with the Cryes who don't take their hits, usually because their egos are too large to allow them to accept that they have been hit by a BB from anything other than a heavily upgraded MWS or, back in the day, a Systema.

As for Wanking Cumstain, he goes for headshots because they generate views and, therefore, revenue from YT. They also get the little wannabes excited, which probably arouses him in some weird way. He is a man who gets VERY upset when a grenade goes bang on him .

TL,DR: Cheating and poor marshalling happen in airsoft; find a site where the level of both is bearable.

 

[Baser]

It’s a tough one, airsoft is based on honesty, not being a d**k and good eye pro.

Every now and again you come across the cheaters. Today had 3 lads who played well but 1 always took his hits, the other 2 always some how didn’t get hit. After the first couple of times I just moved to another part of the game zone.

I know I’m not a great shot and don’t have great kit so accept it if I shoot at 1 and it’s not a hit but if I get 1 from a group I know I have them all.

Happily I got to mag dump them later in the game, petty but deserved.

 

[MrTea]

1. Hit them somewhere soft until they do call it.
2. Elevate the issue to marshalls.
3. If marshalls do nothing, leave bad reviews in multiple visible places and go to a different site.

 

[frazer900]

This is why I ended up buying a mini gun after a quick burst they soon take it lol

 

[Tackle]

1. Hit them somewhere soft until they do call it.
2. Elevate the issue to marshalls.
3. If marshalls do nothing, leave bad reviews in multiple visible places and go to a different site.

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Wot he said

Unfortunately if a site has poor marshaling, it'll quite literally attract bad players, those who have no intention of playing by the rules will love knowing their never likely to be pulled up for it.
Gotta agree, time to look for a new site, but do your research first, you don't want to throw good money after bad by inadvertently going to a site with potential links to your previous site, always a possibility if their in the same district or even county.
PS out of interest, what's the name of your current shite site ?, their may be other members on here that have had the same issues there & can advise you on a better alternative.

 

[Galvatron]

You know what, I'll share the video in question. Ignoring the hit markers, the footage shows a lot of uncalled hits and the owner making an irrelevant dig at a player asking a legitimate question, even if he was a little cheeky.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWj3UNggi2c


I'm lucky not to have played at such a site but I can see how a great location can be ruined by bad marshalling.

 

[Colin Allen]

You know what, I'll share the video in question. Ignoring the hit markers, the footage shows a lot of uncalled hits and the owner making an irrelevant dig at a player asking a legitimate question, even if he was a little cheeky.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWj3UNggi2c


I'm lucky not to have played at such a site but I can see how a great location can be ruined by bad marshalling.

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I knew it was there! The Lad and I played there once and will never return. It is a potentially great site which is ruined by poor game design and dreadful marshalling.

 

[matas17]

I generally shoot people two or three times and if they dont take the hits next shot is usually where they have less protection so they can feel it and take the hit

 

[Cannonfodder]

Just to make sure are you 100% sure you're hitting them? I've seen far too many instances where a player is screaming at someone to take their hits when the reality is their shots are landing nowhere near the target.

Now we've got that out of the way if you know they're cheating then just don't stop firing till they call it. Also hitting body parts where bone is close to the skin tend to get the quickest results.

I was so tempted to just refuse to, because the cheating was extreme

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Please don't do this, as tempting as it is, it makes you no better than them. Speak to marshals (just make sure you have a decent description, saying "the guy in camo behind the tree" doesn't help. If they won't do anything then I'd vote with my wallet and go elsewhere.

What site was it?

 

[Cannonfodder]

You know what, I'll share the video in question. Ignoring the hit markers, the footage shows a lot of uncalled hits and the owner making an irrelevant dig at a player asking a legitimate question, even if he was a little cheeky.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWj3UNggi2c


I'm lucky not to have played at such a site but I can see how a great location can be ruined by bad marshalling.

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Wow. While I agree the hit taking was ridiculous the guy filming and his goby mate didn't really help themselves by calling the bloke in the pink hi vis a nobhead. I'm surprised they weren't booted out. Wearing a GoPro and having a YouTube channel doesn't give anyone the right to act like a twat.

 

[Colin Allen]

Wow. While I agree the hit taking was ridiculous the guy filming and his goby mate didn't really help themselves by calling the bloke in the pink hi vis a nobhead. I'm surprised they weren't booted out. Wearing a GoPro and having a YouTube channel doesn't give anyone the right to act like a twat.

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Nobody came out of that looking good.

 

[Cannonfodder]

Nobody came out of that looking good.

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A quick look at the comments shows the channel owner is a licking shitstains fan so definitely an attention seeking twat who creates drama for clicks

 

[Colin Allen]

A quick look at the comments shows the channel owner is a licking shitstains fan so definitely an attention seeking twat who creates drama for clicks

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Indeed; however, his experience of the site and its staff matches ours.

 

[ruskitseller]

Yes, it can be frustrating can't it. Its the nature of the game really and no site is free of drama...not one over the course of its life anyway. My own philosophy I used to peddle when I ran a team was "we play to give others the chance to have a good time - not for ourselves." The TL;DR of that is, taking hits is what makes the game go around and if we play with the mindset of being there to elevate the day for others, that is often reciprocated. That may sound a bit hippyish mind!

Now I think we have all probably been shot on occasion and not taken it by accident. Some even on purpose, anyone saying they haven't is probably lying... But generally I also recommend over taking hits. Not sure if it was a twig or your mate? Just take it. You'll be back in the game in seconds.

Wherever you go, you will get people (regardless of gear or time played) who have become addicted to not taking hits though too. Its an ego thing. Cheating to win is usually driven by a mix of strong external rewards and weakened internal restraints: people who prioritise victory or gain over fairness, feel pressured or entitled, or see low risk of detection are most likely to cheat - it happens.

Some cheat to prove worth or to compensate for perceived inadequacy; others cheat for thrill or to restore a threatened self‑image. Interestingly, the traits associated with this are narcissism, entitlement, and low empathy with a reduced sense of guilt and an increase of willingness to exploit rules. But rest assured, reacting aggressively to that is what they expect, and even want and thrive on because it reinforces the reason they cheat in the first place. Walking away and leaving it can be hard though, when the old adrenaline is fired up, but it is essentially the best thing to do. You will come back to the same site in a month and it will all be different.

But we must also give people the benefit of the doubt. I have mates (and its happened to me) where someone has screamed "take your hits mate" when I genuinely haven't been hit (or don't think I have!) by a tiny bb being blown all over the place by wind or some leaves in its path over 60 metres. We must ask ourselves "do I know for 100% certainty that my bb did indeed hit him?" - there is a chance that it simply didn't too so we should weigh that up before taking it to the marshals.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWj3UNggi2c

I found this video interesting to watch. Some of the cases are cut and dry, but I think if you are going to talk to site staff/marshals and plead your case - it helps to be polite and respectful. You have the footage, send that over as a raw file without commentary when the day is done and that would probably make a real positive impact to how the site is ran.

Its a game of give and take I suppose. I think one of the best ways to check though is having player marshalls embedded. At spartan, they sneak around the back of you, shoot from behind to check you take them.