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Another RIF incident in the news... Its only a matter of time now
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Cannonfodder
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Ah that huge network of about 4 people
Shamal
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Unfortunately a gun is a gun is a gun so far as lobbyists and general public are concerned ?
Rogerborg
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This again.
"I've recovered and handled numerous firearms during my police career, and there was nothing in the appearance of the gun that gave me any impression it was anything other than genuine."
Sounds like a realistic imitation of a real firearm to me.
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Well.... IIRC, they did also try an escape attempt at colditz by carving a pistol out of bars of soap and painting it with paint stolen from the theatre... And then dressing in stolen german uniforms and trying to walk out of the front gate...
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An Airgun IS a real firearm in law, not a realistic imitation of one. Fortunately the public don't make the laws, and the law distinguishes between IF's, RIF's, gas powered firearms (CO2 or air) and real steel firearms. Its ridiculous that airguns have so little regulation when they are 4-6 times more powerful than airsoft RIF's/IF's. I suspect there are hundreds of airguns out there for every RIF and these are the ones that will be on the receiving end of any new legislation I hope
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Adolf Hamster
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Rogerborg
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Why can't it be both?
Which of these (if any) are legally lethal barrelled firearms, which of them (if any) are actually lethal barrelled firearms, which of them (if any) are not firearms, and which of them (if any) are realistic imitation firearms?
BANG, too late, you've already been killed.
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I've yet to see a persuasive argument or case law on why definitions from multiple separate, unrelated Acts are exclusionary. Note that the definitions added in Policing and Crime Act 2007 for airsoft guns not being firearms apply specifically and only to the Firearms Act 1968, not the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006. VCRA 2006 S38 says that a deactivated firearm is not a realistic imitation firearm, but does not otherwise define "firearm", even by reference to the Firearms Act 1968 - and BANG, you're dead again.
1000% agree, our entire body of firearms legislation is a Frankenstein's monster of cobbled together, ill-fitting parts that makes no sense and isn't fit for purpose.
However, I fear that any comprehensive consolidation and re-write would be along the lines of "Nothing for nobody. Cope, peasants."
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Adolf Hamster
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Shamal
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I have airguns. Why would you want me legislated? Why should I be made to jump through hoops in order to be allowed to keep them?
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EDcase
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I used to have air rifles too, BSA Meteor and Jackal Hi-Power. (No hunting)
I'm not advocating for any change in legislation but I do find it strange that there are very few requirements (just age) for purchasing an air rifle as opposed to an airsoft rifle even though the air rifle is FAR more dangerous.
Shamal
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I think I know the political/government answer and that would be hand them all in and that you have no valid reason to have them.Do you want the honest or political answer to that question?
After the dunblane tragedy when all legal owners had to hand in their kit for destruction there was a sarcasm coined saying 'So now only criminals are allowed guns'
Subsequent analysis over the years since have shown that reduction in gun crime did not lower by taking legally owned guns from their owners.
What's the honest answer ?
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Rogerborg
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Woh, didn't expect this thread to go on for so long and we've not even got onto rubber knives yet......?
EDcase
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And of course the criminals won't be affected and still get their real ones smuggled into the country.
Unfortunately its an ongoing issue...
Yeah they're more of an issue in the UK but knives are easier to deal with by police once confronted.
Tactical Pith Helmet
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Electric blankets kill more people than firearms in the UK. A greater number of people still are killed by sexual contact with other peoples genitals.
Licensing things on the basis of aggregate fatalities would see the owners of asbestos ceilinged buildings facing more stringent regimes than firearms owners.
The 'it's more dangerous' argument can lead you anywhere the cherry picked stats can display fallacious justification for.
Licensing things on the basis of aggregate fatalities would see the owners of asbestos ceilinged buildings facing more stringent regimes than firearms owners.
The 'it's more dangerous' argument can lead you anywhere the cherry picked stats can display fallacious justification for.
Adolf Hamster
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That you took that post more seriously than intended
I was going to make a joke about regulating you specifically, for being crazy.....
