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Another RIF incident in the news... Its only a matter of time now

Adolf Hamster said:
That you took that post more seriously than intended :P

I was going to make a joke about regulating you specifically, for being crazy.....
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Haha I've already got the certificate for lunacy. But the tabs are working now...?

 
Tactical Pith Helmet said:
Electric blankets kill more people than firearms in the UK.   A greater number of people still are killed by sexual contact with other peoples genitals.  

Licensing things on the basis of aggregate fatalities would see the owners of asbestos ceilinged buildings facing more stringent regimes than firearms owners.   

The 'it's more dangerous' argument can lead you anywhere the cherry picked stats can display fallacious justification for.  
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Take a look at death rates in America.

More people killed by Passive Smoking/second hand smoke than guns.

The VCRA came about because Hazel Blears and the ACPO didn't like replica guns, and having failed to deal with "real" gun crime wanted a headline grabbing piece of legislation that made them look tough.

And before the legislation, police forces were instructed to stop recording incidents where no weapon was fired or recovered as "unknown" and record them as "replica" instead...

 
Shamal said:
Subsequent analysis over the years since have shown that reduction in gun crime did not lower by taking legally owned guns from their owners.
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Gun-related deaths did drastically lower, as did overall gun crime. Also, I was told the majority of people were slightly annoyed at handing in their firearms, but they agreed that school shootings should never happen again.

 
Voodoo. said:
Gun-related deaths did drastically lower, as did overall gun crime. Also, I was told the majority of people were slightly annoyed at handing in their firearms, but they agreed that school shootings should never happen again.
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I disagree.

So are you saying that most gun crime was committed by gun club shooters or gun sport enthusiasts?

Yeah slightly annoyed is an understatement. Years spent collecting and legally using firearms only for them to be taken away from responsible legitimate owners.

I don't know of any gun club guns that have been used in school shootings.

 
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Shamal said:
I disagree.

So are you saying that most gun crime was committed by gun club shooters or gun sport enthusiasts?

Yeah slightly annoyed is an understatement. Years spent collecting and legally using firearms only for them to be taken away from responsible legitimate owners.

I don't know of any gun club guns that have been used in school shootings.
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Well, the most obvious / significant / possibly only school shooting in the UK resulted in many measures including the banning of most handguns and further controls on getting a firearms certificate was conducted by the member of a gun club.

 
Shamal said:
I disagree.

So are you saying that most gun crime was committed by gun club shooters or gun sport enthusiasts?

Yeah slightly annoyed is an understatement. Years spent collecting and legally using firearms only for them to be taken away from responsible legitimate owners.

I don't know of any gun club guns that have been used in school shootings.
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Thomas Hamilton was a member of the Stirling Rifle and Pistol Club for nine years before he took his four legally owned pistols and killed sixteen 5 and 6 year old children and a teacher.

So yes, guns used at a gun club were used by a gun club shooter in a school shooting.  Before going off and shooting a bunch of little kids, Hamilton was probably what you would describe as a responsible legitimate owner.

Even by your very low standards, that post was cuntish.

 
Easy guys, Shamal did say "most" gun crime, while Dunblane was horrific in the extreme (I remember it well, especially poignant as my niece's were 5 & 6 at the time), it was a fairly isolated incident in respect of legally owned gun crime, then & now most gun crime falls at the feet of criminals with illegally sourced weapons, until we get in to the realms of "Minority Report" , it's something that'll never be sorted, all we can do is do our best to promote the positive side of Airsoft & the generally responsible attitude of most players, not publicly fall out over our own perceptions of gun crime.

 
The most recent incident that springs to mind was that incel mong going postal with a shotgun, I infer a 3-shot pump or semi-auto on a shotgun cert.

It's surprising that shotgun certificates are still "shall issue", and not much harder to get than a RIF, er, "licence".  Application, monies, secure storage, "not a mong" declaration (even if you are a mong), and you can collect as many as you like.

 
Tackle said:
Easy guys, Shamal did say "most" gun crime, while Dunblane was horrific in the extreme (I remember it well, especially poignant as my niece's were 5 & 6 at the time), it was a fairly isolated incident in respect of legally owned gun crime, then & now most gun crime falls at the feet of criminals with illegally sourced weapons, until we get in to the realms of "Minority Report" , it's something that'll never be sorted, all we can do is do our best to promote the positive side of Airsoft & the generally responsible attitude of most players, not publicly fall out over our own perceptions of gun crime.
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What Shamal said was "I don't know of any gun club guns that have been used in school shootings."

Hamilton carried out a school shooting with the pistols that he used at his gun club.

If Shamal wants to argue around that, he can try.

 
Rogerborg said:
The most recent incident that springs to mind was that incel mong going postal with a shotgun, I infer a 3-shot pump or semi-auto on a shotgun cert.

It's surprising that shotgun certificates are still "shall issue", and not much harder to get than a RIF, er, "licence".  Application, monies, secure storage, "not a mong" declaration (even if you are a mong), and you can collect as many as you like.
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Id actually forgotten about that nutcase, definitely more questions than answers there ☹️

 
colinjallen said:
What Shamal said was "I don't know of any gun club guns that have been used in school shootings."

Hamilton carried out a school shooting with the pistols that he used at his gun club.

If Shamal wants to argue around that, he can try.
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I've got a.feeling you don't like me.?

 
Tackle said:
Id actually forgotten about that nutcase, definitely more questions than answers there ☹️
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It seems bleedin' obvious with hindsight that said incel-mong shouldn't have had his cert back.  Although taking a cert away doesn't take collectively licensed shotguns away, it just makes them illegally held.  Whether it was obvious with foresight is another question, but you can't fix mong with some farcical psychobabble about hugging your inner unicorn.

Fortunately, the response seems to have been fairly measured: tell Farces to apply the current system better, rather than imposing more prohibitions that will only really punish the non-mongs.  Surprising, but welcome.

 
Shamal said:
I've got a.feeling you don't like me.?
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It is not about liking or disliking you; I don't know you anywhere near well enough to know whether I like or dislike you.

However, your posts give an impression of you that forms my view of you as a person.

 
Shamal said:
I've got a.feeling you don't like me.?
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You made a statement that turned out to be wrong

On further research though, 50% of UK shootings were by a gun club member with legally owned pistols

The other 50% were also with a legally owned pistol but took place (probably) before gun clubs existed and about 50 years before the push to encourage organised shooting ranges for the general public to improve capability ready for whenever the Army needs more people for warfare 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:School_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom
 

 
colinjallen said:
It is not about liking or disliking you; I don't know you anywhere near well enough to know whether I like or dislike you.

However, your posts give an impression of you that forms my view of you as a person.
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Then don't read my posts. ?

 
There was an incident up here a few months back, some twat waving about an AK RIF at lorry drivers in the ferry queue at Ullapool. Arsehole got jailed.

 
Tommikka said:
You made a statement that turned out to be wrong

On further research though, 50% of UK shootings were by a gun club member with legally owned pistols

The other 50% were also with a legally owned pistol but took place (probably) before gun clubs existed and about 50 years before the push to encourage organised shooting ranges for the general public to improve capability ready for whenever the Army needs more people for warfare 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:School_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom
 
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OK I made a mistake. I'll hold my hands up to that. I'm man enough to admit it. But does making a mistake make me a cunt?

It's a shame we can't all be perfect! lol

 
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