Short M4 Recommendations please...

[wadsy]

I'm looking for recommendation please for a short (7-8" ish) M4 type rifle.

 

Must be good quality and as lightweight as possible too. I don't want a folding stock; I'd like to fit a Magpul CTR. M-Lok would be nice, but not essential.

 

I've found a few whilst searching online, but don't know much about them, so I'd welcome advice on those and any other suggestions please.

 

VFC KAC SR635
G&G 7” Warthog
G&P 8” War Hammer
G&G SR30 8” M-Lok
G&G GC16 SR CQB
G&G GC16 MPW 7”
G&G GC300BOT
Cyma Platinum M4 8.5 M-LOK 
Ares Amoeba Pro Octarms M4 AEG 7"

APS – Noveske 7.94” Gen 4 SBR

 

Many thanks in advance  👍

 

Cheers

[Skara]

18 hours ago, wadsy said:

Must be good quality and as lightweight as possible too

Build one yourself then, won't be cheap by any means but it'll be the length/weight you desire.

 

I wouldn't bother with ANY of the ones you mentioned.

 

 

This is mine, 6.7" handguard, 7" carbon fibre outer barrel, 185x6.05 barrel.

Stupid light, could go lighter with a carbon fibre handguard but I'm fine with the current one.

 

Also the gun was born as a 10.8" M933

Edited November 29, 2023 by Skara

[wadsy]

I do like the idea of building my own, but wouldn't know where to start!...

 

Would I pick up a second hand gun and upgrade/modify?

 

If so, what would be a good donor gun for quality, realistic externals?

 

And then, which parts to upgrade, what brands to use, and where to source?

 

Also, where to source the lightweight parts you eluded to?

 

It sounds good, but to me it also sounds complicated?!..

 

Any help/guidance/advice gratefully received!

 

Cheers

[Skara]

On 30/11/2023 at 22:39, wadsy said:

I do like the idea of building my own, but wouldn't know where to start!...

 

Would I pick up a second hand gun and upgrade/modify?

 

If so, what would be a good donor gun for quality, realistic externals?

 

And then, which parts to upgrade, what brands to use, and where to source?

 

Also, where to source the lightweight parts you eluded to?

 

It sounds good, but to me it also sounds complicated?!..

 

Any help/guidance/advice gratefully received!

 

Cheers

Realistic, short and lightweight in the same sentence can't coexist.

I went with Specna Cores for my M4s because of the polymer body and QC 8mm gearboxes, also they are silly cheap (paid €120 for the one pictured, 150 for my other M4), over time I have replaced EVERYTHING inside them, including gearbox shells.

You can pick up pretty much whatever you want, G&Gs used to be great bases to work with but as of today, there are plenty of alternatives that give more bang for buck (Specna, Dboys, Evolution, Saigo - these all come from the same factory, same guns different coloured plastics.. Cyma is great too).

 

Upgrade wise, find out what you want from your gun first and then upgrade as needed.

It doesn't make sense to empty the whole thing and rebuild it if you don't know what you're looking for, you will just waste money and have something that doesn't put an evil grin on your face every time you plug the battery in.

My M4s, for example, are twin builds as I've put the same exact internals in both, bar the inner barrel and spring. The train of thought behind them was to have the most reliable gun possible that could still provide a decent full auto ROF of about 20 to 24 RPS, decently snappy semi auto response and be as battery efficient as possible.

I've gone for Warhead 36k,Retro Arms gearbox, SHS/Rocket 13:1 gears, 8mm steel solid bushings, FPS compression parts, Perun Hybrid FCU, Maxx ME hop units, Maple Leaf 70° hop rubbers.

As mentioned above the only differences are found in the spring rating (M90 for the long boi, M100 for the short) and inner barrel (6.05x247 and 6.05x185 respectively).

 

Externally I tried to keep things light, so the choice of stock was the King Arms PDW (which is now impossible to find anywhere but from KA themselves and good luck buying one with their insane shipping rate), carbon fibre outer barrels and AliExpress handguards (back when you could find them).

The carbon fibre stuff I source from Mac Airsoft, which I happen to live just 40 minutes away from.. We're both based in Italy but he does make CF barrels, stocks and handguards for many brands (Monk Customs and the likes) so you will find his stuff pretty much everywhere. He also makes very neat CNC'd aluminium receivers, but I prefer plastic.

 

My guns aren't realistic at all, they're just functional to what I do with them.

 

Pic of my other M4 for boasting purposes (2.2kg)

[wadsy]

Many thanks for taking the time to write your reply; very much appreciated 🙂👍