Whole Game 'Sin Binned'

[Tactical Pith Helmet]

What a shitshow.

Collective punishment is bullshit on literally every legal, and behavioural science level.   Apart from that it's old fashioned rude.  

 

[Cromulon1994]

Edit: seriously, tell me i'm being trolled right now, i would genuinely preferr being made the fool than beleive there's that level of incompetence in the world.

No, not being trolled. Which part are you struggling to believe?

The chrono marshal said he had to chrono the guns. Which is fine, when done by someone who is either experienced enough or slows down and asks how something works if not sure.

I passed him the G5 and put the SAA down on the side. You have to let them load the mags with their bbs.

He grabbed an m4 aeg mag and smacked it in.

You know when you look at something and wonder if that was just real? That happened. 

While I was unfucking that, as the mag didn't want to come out, he picked up my SAA, and immediately used the ejector to try and remove a shell. That's when the damage was done. You can nick the rubbers with the ejector as it's there to seat bbs into the rubbers only. Though it's not a design flaw, it's just misuse that damages them.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

No, not being trolled. Which part are you struggling to believe?

that all that incompetence managed to happen at once.

especially the bit where they have the cheek to blame you for it.

 

[alxndrhll]

that all that incompetence managed to happen at once.

especially the bit where they have the cheek to blame you for it.

Given my experience at both of the sites I’ve been to which are run by them that’s probably the easiest part for me to understand.

Granted I can’t say I’d experienced anything to this extent, but if I was to sum up F&O in a nutshell it’d be something along the lines of ‘resting on their laurels’ and ‘got lazy’... seemingly that’s spreading to ‘outright daft’.

And that’s not to say I’m here celebrating a decline in quality, they have a decent number of sites up here so ruling out attending them at all is frustrating… but I’d hit a point where I’d show up expecting a poorly run day with 7 hour long self promoting safety briefs only to play the same games over and over none of which take advantage of the sites to their fullest.

Goes without saying that it sucks the OP had a shit time, only to be exacerbated by the response from F&O… but the moment I saw this topic I had a sneaking suspicion as to who/which site it was. And while not surprised in the slightest, I’m gutted I was right.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Given my experience at both of the sites I’ve been to which are run by them that’s probably the easiest part for me to understand.

Granted I can’t say I’d experienced anything to this extent, but if I was to sum up F&O in a nutshell it’d be something along the lines of ‘resting on their laurels’ and ‘got lazy’... seemingly that’s spreading to ‘outright daft’.

And that’s not to say I’m here celebrating a decline in quality, they have a decent number of sites up here so ruling out attending them at all is frustrating… but I’d hit a point where I’d show up expecting a poorly run day with 7 hour long self promoting safety briefs only to play the same games over and over none of which take advantage of the sites to their fullest.

Goes without saying that it sucks the OP had a shit time, only to be exacerbated by the response from F&O… but the moment I saw this topic I had a sneaking suspicion as to who/which site it was. And while not surprised in the slightest, I’m gutted I was right.

i think for me i'm used to sites being bad for the opposite end of the scale- not enough marshalling either due to marshalls who are too lazy, too young, or too ignorant of some basic principles (like how fps=/=joules) to manage games properly or at all. places where pretty much any and all forms of cheating go either undetected or unpunished (even when caught).

so i'm surprised to see that the opposite could end up being just as bad.

 

[alxndrhll]

i think for me i'm used to sites being bad for the opposite end of the scale- not enough marshalling either due to marshalls who are too lazy, too young, or too ignorant of some basic principles (like how fps=/=joules) to manage games properly or at all. places where pretty much any and all forms of cheating 

Funnily enough this was the end of the spectrum I experienced when attending F&O sites. That and the worst implementation of ‘player marshalls’ I’ve experienced to date.

There is a delicate balance between not enough and too many when it comes to marshalls IMO. Too few and there just isn’t the coverage, too many and they just wandering around chatting doing a whole load of zero marshalling (largely down to the fact a decent portion of them are doing it ‘for favours’ on a ‘voluntary basis’ rather than being employed).

I should clarify before this comes across as too much of an ‘attack’ on F&O at large that each site is managed by different folks as far as I understand it so I’m sure some of them are solid. But the two I’ve been too weren’t ‘up to it’ IMO.

 

[Rogerborg]

It was F&O The Mill.

Ah, I see they're fully booked out.

I'd expect this contributes to a culture of "the customer is always a nuisance, and there's plenty more paying punters where you came from, mate".

 

[Randymanpipe]

I once attended a game at southcoast cqb where they sin binned everyone because some dick shone his laser and shot at a police helicopter circling low looking for someone just outside the site. 
 

haven’t been back since. 

 

[PopRocket123]

I once attended a game at southcoast cqb where they sin binned everyone because some dick shone his laser and shot at a police helicopter circling low looking for someone just outside the site. 
 

haven’t been back since. 

That guy sounds like a Darwin award waiting to happen

 

[Shamal]

That guy sounds like a Darwin award waiting to happen

There was a flap on at national airsoft event ringwood 2020.

Some boyos over the far side of the campsite were putting on a great laser light show.

This was about half twelve. Plenty of beer and excitement.

I had my comms set to monitor marshals channel and it burst into life screaming "somebody get over to those fucking dicks and make them stop!"

The problem was we were slap bang on the flight path for hurn Airport just down the road.

The display soon ended! Lol

Regards 

 

[Oneshotscott]

WOW.  Getting all players to stand in a line, side by side and individually fire on full auto for 2 seconds was difficult to think of.

Player cohesion may of potentially helped the Marshals play Hercule Poirot. (i.e. a ROF rampaging like a dog with two dicks may have been witnessed by more than one player).  

F&O are slipping but they can turn it around if they want and defuse the recent negative press they've had.  They could start by issuing refunds for those who attended on this day and offer enhanced training for their Marshals.

 

[Cannonfodder]

Wow, what an absolute shower of shit. Hope you get the refund 

 

[Archer]

Its F&O ? Well, what a surprise.

One of the main reasons i dont play at their sites any more

Had similar occurences at 2 of their locations a few years back.

The first at a place in Leicester when a bunch of rental players refused to own up to f*cking about in the safe zone - random shots on light fixtures etc, despite being told not to ?

The Marshall knew full well who had done it, but we all got held back from the first game, because the idiots concerned didnt have the backbone to admit they were at fault.

I left the site asap.

The second was at a site further north-west.

Blatant cheating, non hit-taking, and marshalling staff that needed a visit to Specsavers were the least of the issues.

The final straw was when i got accused of cheating by a certain gbbr owner/player who literally and quite loudly swore ( not heard such a litany of filth as i was subjected to) that i wasnt taking my hits and that he'd landed at least 3 hits on me from his G5 and i was blatantly cheating ?

Despite 3 other nearby players who confirmed that i hadn't actually  been shot, this was not accepted by the Marshall that had been no more than three feet away from me at the time of the incident.

I  attempted to calmly explain to the Marshall what had happened only to be totally ignored.

I was wrong and the other shouty player was in the right.

I was a tad miffed( a polite way of saying i was bloody furious, but getting angry wasn't going to help)

I packed me kit and left.

Never been back to any of their sites since.

 

[Rogerborg]

The Marshall knew full well who had done it, but we all got held back from the first game, because the idiots concerned didnt have the backbone to admit they were at fault.

And there we go, the root of the problem.

I'd rather have sites just hush up and say nothing rather than swing their dicks, then shrivel up when it comes to actually confronting the players that they know fine well are cocking around.

 

[Tactical Pith Helmet]

And there we go, the root of the problem.

I'd rather have sites just hush up and say nothing rather than swing their dicks, then shrivel up when it comes to actually confronting the players that they know fine well are cocking around.

Too true.  If a marshal can't find the ability to interact with people to the standard required to do their job then they should not be in that role.  

 

[Rogerborg]

Too true.  If a marshal can't find the ability to interact with people to the standard required to do their job then they should not be in that role.  

At every site I've played at, it seems clear that most marshals get the role (I won't say job) by being mates with the site owner, not through ability.  There have been some notable and welcome exceptions, but by and large they're either too lazy, nice, retiring, or randomly angry.

Given that it's a labour of love though, and that I couldn't do a better job (being all of the above, as the mood takes me), this is just a low grade grumble, not an "aIrSoFt Is DyInG!!!11!" rant.

 

[Cheeky vimto]

I played at the Mill last month, my first time there. The exact same thing happened to us, luckily only once. But being "told off" for doing nothing wrong pissed me off to no end, I won't be going back. 

If you make the site single shot, fine. But don't also dictate how quick I can single shot with your old crappy Rif rate of fire. 

 

[Cromulon1994]

I played at the Mill last month, my first time there. The exact same thing happened to us, luckily only once. But being "told off" for doing nothing wrong pissed me off to no end, I won't be going back. 

If you make the site single shot, fine. But don't also dictate how quick I can single shot with your old crappy Rif rate of fire. 

It seems on farcebook there are quite a few people saying the same thing too. 

It's both slightly comforting to know it wasn't just us who thought it's a shit show, and really shit that they've become such a poor site happy to take good money for shit service. 

 

[Rogerborg]

If you make the site single shot, fine. But don't also dictate how quick I can single shot with your old crappy Rif rate of fire.

Well, I respectfully disagree, they're fine to limit that too, or to have a two-or-three-shot-then-pause rule.

What matters is that they only say what they mean, that they mean everything that they say, and that they sack up and enforce the rules against individuals, not doing counter-productive collective punishment.

This is a bit like when I worked in an office where they sent out an email to the whole company, flagged as "important" saying "Whoever keeps defecating on the men's bathroom floor, stop it. This is totally unacceptable!"

Well, good job, you solved that problem. I'm sure someone sociopathic enough to do that will stop now that you've let them know that it's "unacceptable."

In both cases, if you're going to do a group communication, don't bother haranguing the toxic people who don't care.  Ask the decent people to identify them, then deal with the bad individuals.

This really isn't that hard a concept to grasp, surely?

 

[Fatboy40]

Well, I respectfully disagree, they're fine to limit that too, or to have a two-or-three-shot-then-pause rule.

I agree, it's the prerogative of the site you attend at, they set the rules not the customer.

It's very easy with a good gun on semi and a drum mag to lay down a biblical hail of BB's to the point where no one could ever push past them without a dangerous over-arm thrown grenade / thunderflash or just pure luck. To be honest it can be fun to be "that person", however it makes the game for others pretty shitty.