Well-known airsoft team banned from ALL US Milsim sites

Kinda different here though Ian, McKnight was confronting them because they were doing what they do best (Which is act like total loons destroying stuff and stacking up on random buildings), and this was at an event supposed to be honouring and supporting veterans.............

 
All GMR tactics boil down to Stacking while looking tacticool and not taking hits because of their super heavy and thick RS kit.

 
Kinda different here though Ian, McKnight was confronting them because they were doing what they do best (Which is act like total loons destroying stuff and stacking up on random buildings), and this was at an event supposed to be honouring and supporting veterans.............
I guess they won't be needing their pile of Systemas.

 
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Think I'm banned from their YouTube channel too after commenting on their load out video ask when it was all going on eBay :/ Sense of humor failure!

 
Yeah Dan, it may well have been different. I know i feel that what was being asked of me was not only unreasonable but that it was bloody cheeky to even ask and the bloke's attitude started entitled and aloof and quickly became patronising, so there really was never going to be any other outcome.

The thing is, we know that GMR have busted stuff and behaved in a way which could be dangerous, but we have not heard that anyone was injured, that anyone imitated them and made the risk worse, etc. We know that McKnight is an effective leader of soldiers whose command philosophy appears to centre around respect for US military personel, but we don't know how abrasive he is in person or what his attitude to civilians all geared up imitating US soldiers is. We also don't know what negotiations have gone on behind the scenes between this famous team and event promoters, but it's a fact that 'celebrity' is a source of free publicity for products/services/events which are linked to a well known name and contoversy generates media columnage...

For all we know GMR may have felt that they were in the right and McKnight may have dissed them... The fcuk off in question may not have even been said seriously, as in "You fcuk right off away from me right now!", but maybe, "Arrrrrgh, fcuk off, eh?"

Like I say, if it was a straw that fcucked the camel up, fair enough, but there are a good many Americans who are all for their rights, their god given, tree of liberty watered with blood maintained, freedom, fuh-re-dom, fuuuh-reeeeee-dom, goddamnit! Until someone else exercises their right to free speech... And a good many of that type of American also have nearly religeous attitudes toward military veterans and an extremely limited sense of humour...

 
Its on video ian, have a watch on YouTube.

 
Night Vision goggles: $1500

Systema PTW w/attachments: $2500 (LOL)

BDUs and other equipment: $3000

Inability to participate in an event and actually play airsoft: Priceless.

 
Been over a week now, and all they reply with on their Facebook page is simple one word answers and sighs.

 
Been over a week now, and all they reply with on their Facebook page is simple one word answers and sighs.
Isn't it a bit ironic when they post "u mad bro"? They're the ones that got banned from Milsim events, not the people that post on their facebook page, lol.

 
I wonder what they'd do if I asked them, "You mad bro?"

They'd probably block me.

So I guess it's a yes.

What a bunch of gigantic penises.

 
So the situation is as I characterised it earlier: we don't know what was said between McKnight and GMR, or what actually happened to initiate that talk, right?

I'm not suggesting that they're not penises, but everyone involved on any side/bandwaggon is a yank so pretty much all of them are penises by definition.

 
I gota say actually. From that video, They handled the situation ok, And I see it in their favor. int he fact that they didnt over react like alot do.
Although after readign the full story. They were more doing their own thing. (what is with them and staking up on buildings?) instead of staying with their team for the mission.
I kind of have mixxed feelings for this really.
You have players who play the Game, and others who play the objective. It seesms with this game they wanted every one to play on a "rail" of sorts (Rail = a fixed path/route) for a very linear game mode. Which is fine I have nothing against that. But it seems they wanted to play a more active role than a passive one. (go find the action instead of the action finding you) in their ambush game mode.

But the rest of their actions are questionable. with the whole always breaching H&S at almost every game they go to. In the name of realism I understand, but putting them selfs at risk of injury outside of game area could force action to be made to make the field "a safer place" which could result in it being hard to find decent sites if that were to happen.

 
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If McKnight had spoken to me like that, I would have told him to fcuk off, unquestionably. I realise that a lot more happened than what we see, whether deliberately edited out or just at other times during the event, but I don't care: you do not approach customers and simply repeat, "Everyone else is over there.", until they do what you want, nor does the referee tell sportsmen/women, "You will do it my way or you're going home."

Commanding a regiment vs marshalling an airsoft event - 2 very different scenarios with skillsets which are only similar on the surface. Scratch the surface however and the stark differences are clear: making a large group of people do as they are told, regardless of what they would rather do, and with minimal flexibility for differences between individuals vs facilitating an environment in which every competitor's individual preferences are more important than 'the plan' and, minute by minute, re-evaluating the situation to try to guide the best compromise between all those preferences that you can think of, within the boundaries of H&S/insurance. What happened on that video shows quite clearly what a confusion of those roles leads to.

I also get it that GMR often prefer to do things their own way and that sometimes that isn't particularly safe, although there was nothing unsafe about their actions this time. It seems to me that the time to address that was during registration for the event - like, if OPLC really were seriously concerned about the safety implications, they ought to have sought assurances from GMR before taking their money (and for all we know that is what happened, because, in an ambush scenario, being able to see where the opposition were waiting for you would be an advantage, but GMR do not give anyone a leg-up onto the roof, which seems to me like a GMR-like thing to do).

It's also possible that OPLC consider GMR's approach to gameplay a risk to the enjoyment of other players. In that case the most sensible approach would have been to explain that to GMR members and refuse their custom, because no assurances could be given, that anyone could trust, about how people will play once their adrenaline is pumping and besides, what could they actually say - "We will pretend that we don't have the imagination to seek an unexpected approach to every scenario where doing so would give us a tactical advantage and, if such an approach accidentally occurs to any of us, we will not use it."?

That said, having watched the vid, they are all penises.

 
I'm still Camp GMR even though in the Past people have done stupid shit their still good guys!

 
Just watched the Video if i was GMR i'd have gone Green Man Imma Kill you if you are not out of my face in 2 seconds Ranger another reason why FilmSim should not be Dressed up as MilSim!

 
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