TM Mk46 Mod.0

[RossF]

It’s not so much the price, it’s the price for quality. I’ve spent stupid amounts on guns before like the VFC SR-25, but TM’s external materials on their AEG’s have always been shit. This is coming from someone who LOVES TM stuff and most of my Airsoft guns are TM.. 

however... the amount of broken receivers I’ve seen on the M4/416 NGRS series makes me not want to spend £1200 on it. I honestly could care less what the internals are like as they’re usually all stripped out anyway. I just want to know that the shell that’s holding it all together isn’t made of cheese. 

As for systema, they are just an overpriced ICS that trades on the “weapon training system” slogan, despite never actually being used by ANY police or military.

gbls want £1500 for a gun that kicks less than my gbbr and doesn’t perform as well. It’s not even new technology. Top tech made a gun just like it and it used shells that ejected so it was more realistic if not impractical for about £500 ten years ago. For £1500 i can buy an mws and an NGRS of my choice and mod them to peak performance and have FAR more reliable RIFs. 

I’d only heard good things about their NGRSs? If this is the case then I’m a lot less tempted.

Why would you want to strip out the internals? Especially in an LMG?

 

[SgtTalbert]

I’d only heard good things about their NGRSs? If this is the case then I’m a lot less tempted.

Why would you want to strip out the internals? Especially in an LMG?

You don't have to strip out the internals, NGRS is perfectly usable 'stock'. People just like to upgrade because they can. It does perform better upgraded...but so do most things when done properly. 

 

[M_P]

I think I am being thick and missing the point on this.

I know its £1300 which is a lot of money to spend, however, this seems to have more uproar than the DAS or Systema's do and I'm not quite sure why? 

Don't get me wrong the price is fair in my opinion for what it is, and the work that goes into something like this.

But irrespective of reasonableness that's a hell of a lot of money for a 'situational' weapon so is an no-go for me for that reason. I can't justify that for something I wouldn't use all day or often in general.

The high end LMG market is pretty niche but these will sell, that I have no doubt of

 

[RossF]

You don't have to strip out the internals, NGRS is perfectly usable 'stock'. People just like to upgrade because they can. It does perform better upgraded...but so do most things when done properly. 

That’s what I mean, I get that you might want to bump up a rifle for accuracy, range etc. But when the purpose is to lay down a shower of fire surely the stock internals of a TM are more than adequate.

I guess the justification is all relative right... for me if it’s full metal, good quality metal at that and performs well without modification and has a solid kick, it’ll be a fun weapon to add to the arsenal.

 

[Wo1f]

I’d only heard good things about their NGRSs? If this is the case then I’m a lot less tempted.

Why would you want to strip out the internals? Especially in an LMG?

The NGRS perform fantastic out of the box and they look fantastic. My issue with them is their external feel and durability is a little lacking compared to a VFC or G&P AEG (or virtually any gbbr). I currently have a 416 delta custom tuned by @Davegolf and it’s a phenomenal bit of kit. Even at 340 FPS I can happily play the DMR/counter sniper role the range is that good. I just wish that when I picked it up I had that same faith I do with the MWS that if I drop it, it’s not going to break. 

 

[Immortal]

I think it looks awesome but pricey for an AEG with a rumblepack. I'd consider one but I have a G&P Ranger M249. Whilst it doesn't have recoil, which is a bummer, I love it. One day it'll be the donor for an HPA build when I finally take that step. Be interesting to see how people field it but it'll be a rare RIF to see on a skirmish fa sure.

 

[Davegolf]

? rumblepack! I'm sure you have to be a certain age to know what one of those is these days!!!

 

[RossF]

I think it looks awesome but pricey for an AEG with a rumblepack. I'd consider one but I have a G&P Ranger M249. Whilst it doesn't have recoil, which is a bummer, I love it. One day it'll be the donor for an HPA build when I finally take that step. Be interesting to see how people field it but it'll be a rare RIF to see on a skirmish fa sure.

haha, rumblepack! Don't forget how much shit Sony got when they launched the PS3 dualshock with no rumbling anywhere to be felt. People love the rumble... but £600 extra for it on an M249... ?

 

[BibbsOnTour]

haha, rumblepack! Don't forget how much shit Sony got when they launched the PS3 dualshock with no rumbling anywhere to be felt. People love the rumble... but £600 extra for it on an M249... ?

pre-teen me loved the rumble

 

[Cr0-Magnon]

I just wish that when I picked it up I had that same faith I do with the MWS that if I drop it, it’s not going to break. 

My NGRS SCAR L jumped off the roof of my car when I slammed the door and other than the stock button breaking, it seems fine. 

 

[Wo1f]

My NGRS SCAR L jumped off the roof of my car when I slammed the door and other than the stock button breaking, it seems fine. 

As i said, it’s the M4/416 that has receiver issues. The scar is solid but it’s plastics aren’t the nicest. 

 

[PureSilver]

As i said, it’s the M4/416 that has receiver issues. The scar is solid but it’s plastics aren’t the nicest. 

I think it would be more accurate to describe TM's plastics as "inadequate for a £500+ gun". It's crazy that they still think ABS is acceptable on guns this expensive, especially when an $80 WE is all GFP. It's particularly bad on the SCARs and G36 NGRSs because those are almost entirely plastic on the outside and it is extremely difficult or completely impossible to replace it.

This is kind of the issue I'll have with the Mk.46, too. I know they spent a ton of money on it and I don't think the price is unreasonable, but I'm not paying £1,100+ for an aluminium gun when it should be made of steel. Especially not when G&P can make a steel one for literally half the price, and very especially not when it should be possible to hack together some kind of recoil for the G&P with the £550 left over. It's the same issue with the NGRS AKs: I don't think the price is unreasonable, but I'm not paying £500+ for an aluminium gun when I will shortly be able to get a steel LCT with similar recoil for 75% of the price.

 

[Skara]

I think it would be more accurate to describe TM's plastics as "inadequate for a £500+ gun". It's crazy that they still think ABS is acceptable on guns this expensive, especially when an $80 WE is all GFP. It's particularly bad on the SCARs and G36 NGRSs because those are almost entirely plastic on the outside and it is extremely difficult or completely impossible to replace it.

This is kind of the issue I'll have with the Mk.46, too. I know they spent a ton of money on it and I don't think the price is unreasonable, but I'm not paying £1,100+ for an aluminium gun when it should be made of steel. Especially not when G&P can make a steel one for literally half the price, and very especially not when it should be possible to hack together some kind of recoil for the G&P with the £550 left over. It's the same issue with the NGRS AKs: I don't think the price is unreasonable, but I'm not paying £500+ for an aluminium gun when I will shortly be able to get a steel LCT with similar recoil for 75% of the price.

I am pretty sure it's because of Japan's regulation on firearms.

Btw with those £550 you could buy a whole NGRS gearbox and fit it in a G&P steel body best of both worlds I guess 

 

[jcheeseright]

"Systema is just an ICS"

Err, no. Completely different design. 

 

[clumpyedge]

Not going to lie, I'll probably get one.....

 

[RossF]

Not going to lie, I'll probably get one.....

If I touch one and I tingle, I will do the same.

Pre-requisites for tingling: solid, good quality metal body, decent kick, doesn’t sound like a sewing machine. So let’s see!

 

[clumpyedge]

If I touch one and I tingle, I will do the same.

Pre-requisites for tingling: solid, good quality metal body, decent kick, doesn’t sound like a sewing machine. So let’s see!

I'm obviously more easily pleased than yourself. Having used and loved the g&p mk46 for years it'll be nice to use another reliable platform with a mag that doesn't resemble a tombstone 

 

[Wo1f]

"Systema is just an ICS"

Err, no. Completely different design. 

You’re right. ICS is is a far more reliable design. What I mean is that it’s ‘feature’ is a split gearbox. There’s no recoil or anything fancy about it. People just delude themselves because they have to justify the cost. 

 

[jcheeseright]

Cycle completion, instant trigger response through precocking, stop on empty, 1:1 dimensions, completely different hop design, planetary gearbox....

If you've got the money, they're very much worth it.  If you don't, they're not. 

 

[Lozart]

If you've got the money, they're very much worth it.  If you don't, they're not. 

This. For everything in life, ever.