This is wild they allowed mags in pistols if holsterd this was bound to happen

[frazer900]

 

[BigStew]

Why was that rule not already in place?

 

[Bwian_eh?]

I really feel for the guy who got hurt. But.

If this was announced in a safety brief, I would have called that out. I can't be the only one here thinking that?
I'd have walked rather than stayed if they justified it in person as well.

(Then again, I think sites should go further than just de magging AEGs and remove the batteries before entering the safe zone.)

 

[Tank423]

I really feel for the guy who got hurt. But.

If this was announced in a safety brief, I would have called that out. I can't be the only one here thinking that?
I'd have walked rather than stayed if they justified it in person as well.

(Then again, I think sites should go further than just de magging AEGs and remove the batteries before entering the safe zone.)

Click to shrink...

It's baffling it was even allowed, i'd have walked too, if they are that lax with safe zone rules something isn't kosher with the team running the site. I've played on and off for 20 years and its always been all mags out in safe zone.

I've never played at a site that didn't make it very clear in the briefing to remove mag and shoot a couple of times to clear the chamber in an AEG, although i don't play with AEG's i don't agree with battery unplugging every time you return to safe zone, it's not quick on every gun and would lead to congestion in/out of the safe zone and no doubt cut a game out of a day due to delays in people faffing with batteries. It takes airsofter's long enough to get out of a safe zone anyway let alone making 80+ people plug/unplug batteries every time.

Personally i remove mags and will clear my apache with an empty mag to make sure its clear and lock the bolt back as an added precaution, pistols will have slide locked back after mag is removed and stay holstered unless its lunch then it goes back into a case instead. All bolt actions have mags removed and handles left upright so trigger cant be pulled.

 

[Cannonfodder]

My sympathy to the person injured and hope they make a speedy recovery.

Tbh I've played at a few sites over the years where this rule is used so it's not as uncommon as you might think. I've always thought it a stupid idea as the moment you take it out of the holster you've got a loaded gun in the safe zone.

 

[Big Cheese]

Been playing airsoft since 2007. Been to plenty of sites over the years where it's been allowed to keep pistols holstered. Never seen any incidents. Personally I don't really carry a pistol but I feel it's a thing of the past. Unplugging batteries would not go down well. As mentioned it's already slow to get out onto site and games would ideally need to be extended to reduce "unplugging time" not just a quick game and back in to bomb up.

 

[Impulse]

That really sucks for the guy who got injured. As they say in the post, and as they say in basically every airsoft safety brief, you only have one set of eyes, so permanent damage can't even be repaired by medical procedures.

All this does is reinforce my decision to wear my eye-pro from start to finish. When I get to the site, I swap out my normal glasses for my shooting glasses with inserts, then they don't come off until I'm packing up and heading home. It's a tiny chance that something like this happens, but it doesn't hurt me to keep my eye-pro on, and I really REALLY don't trust most airsofters and their weapon handling safety...

 

[Emergencychimps]

1. Amazed, absolutely stunned this wasn't a rule and that it should even be addressed!! What sort of yehaw cowboy shit was going on to allow that?! Popping the magazine isn't hard, it removes the gas, the propellent so renders it safe (assuming it's a gas gun). I haven't seen this rule in almost 15 years of playing.

2. Why does anyone take their safety glasses off, even in the safe zone? Have you not looked around at the people who attend? I mean seriously?!? You're trusting all of them with your eye sight? Why would you trust all of these strangers with your eye sight? I actually take spare safety glasses for safe zone use so I can clean up and anti fog the ones I play in and I tell anyone I take to keep their glasses on at all times.

I have been shot in the safe zone, I have been shot during the safety brief, I have seen numerous morons with magazines in weapons and even had some get grumpy when challenged over it.

The average airsofter will not be trusted with my health, my ability to earn or my eye sight......let alone some of the people who attend.

If any good can come from this, it should be that everyone who reads this thread never removes their eye pro while on site.

 

[Lyndication]

I think this is also a lesson in applying gun safety principles to Airsoft tbf. Why was the gun pointed at his friend's face to show him it? My local site is quite strict on mags out, luckily I run GBB so it immediately safes the gun as well. Mags only allowed in after lock and load is called for the game, or at the test range with eye pro required.

Other sites I've been to you hear people dry firing in safe zones and all sorts. We're all human, and at the end of a lung day of running around you can get tired. You can forget to clear that chamber, or maybe even pull the mag.

Even when I know my gun is on safe, mag out, chamber clear, I still make a point of never pointing it at anymore. I'm smart enough to know I'm stupid enough to make mistakes.

 

[The_Lord_Poncho]

Mags out of everything, AEGs/AEPs cleared, barrel socks placed on anything that isn't holstered seems to be a sensible - and crucially, very easy - approach. I think removing batteries would be challenging in practice - its a nightmare to get them in and out on some RIFs (my Cyma SR25 is an absolute pain!). But placing a barrel sock on them resolves that issue instantly, and more importantly, is a very visible indicator that a RIF has been rendered safe.

 

[TheFull9]

I can recall playing somewhere some years ago where this was the rule (not the site in question) but end of the day, there's no argument there. Only takes 2 seconds to unload a gas pistol mag along with your rifle mag before coming back in.

I know personally I've dug out some simple safety specs that have gone in my kit bag and are now my safe zone eye pro. Be a shame for that to become a rule/mandatory, because there just shouldn't be a need, but on an individual level it does make a good bit of sense.

For me, these sort of incidents are symptomatic of most players weird refusal to treat our replicas more like real weapons. If your finger stays away from the trigger, safety on, muzzle never pointed at anyone, you instantly remove 99% of the chance of this sort of thing happening. If these incredibly easy rules are followed, then the only way for someone to get hit inadvertently is reduced down to the absolute most freak incidents of a gun malfunctioning and the most insanely unlucky ricochet happening at the same time. Whereas if you habitually finger the trigger and wave your muzzle at people, stuff exactly like this can and does go down.

 

[Bwian_eh?]

Mags out of everything, AEGs/AEPs cleared, barrel socks placed on anything that isn't holstered seems to be a sensible - and crucially, very easy - approach. I think removing batteries would be challenging in practice - its a nightmare to get them in and out on some RIFs (my Cyma SR25 is an absolute pain!). But placing a barrel sock on them resolves that issue instantly, and more importantly, is a very visible indicator that a RIF has been rendered safe.

Click to shrink...

Barrel socks are a good idea.
Almost every game I've been to, someone dry fires an AEG in the safe zone. That's various sites, at least one person will do it.
I don't think it's over the top to take the battery out, I know on certain RIFs it's a pain like the scorpion Evo, but it does render it safe.
Springers at least take force and multiple actions to fire, and most gas stuff, and all hpa, is rendered safe by removing the power source.

Or leave a plugged in gun outside the safe zone on a rack, like paintball does.

I work in health and safety, if I was assessing for an insurer it would probably be something I would push for.

 

[Krisz]

'Accidental discharge'=the idiot pulled the trigger while the gun was loaded and now someone is blinded for life.

Multiple basic gun rules being violated at the same time...

I feel sorry for the guy but guns should never been loaded in the safe zone to begin with.

I never played anywhere where they let you fucking around with loaded weapons in the safe zone let alone dryfiring.

Next level incompetence and negligence from everyone involved. :/

 

[Colin Allen]

I remember the last time this happened; a youngster lost an eye due to a bolt action rifle having a BB in the hop.

I am a strong believer in barrel socks; their use should be compulsory at all sites, as should removing magazines from pistols in the safe zone. I really struggle to understand why so many site owners tolerate dry firing in the safe zone; at the very least, it should incur a final warning the first time and departure if repeated.

Player safety must be the prime concern of every site owner.

 

[hunter511]

Player safety must be the prime concern of every site owner.

Click to shrink...

BuT tEh DiScLaImEr......

Which I suspect will do fuck all if its ever trialled especially given the (spicy) test case a few decades back where it transpired that consenting to having ones testicles nailed to a wooden board does not actually prevent the person doing the nailing from being up in front of a judge.

 

[Skara]

All this does is reinforce my decision to wear my eye-pro from start to finish. When I get to the site, I swap out my normal glasses for my shooting glasses with inserts, then they don't come off until I'm packing up and heading home.

Click to shrink...

Same, this is also the first rule people learn when they play with us, you wear your eyepro from the moment you step out the car and you take it off whenever you step back into the car to go home.

Said rule should also be enforced in safe zones (to whoever might start bitching about the meaning of "safe zone" please refer to the OP and realise there's nothing safe in a safe zone).

And yes mags out/barrel socks for you guys.

 

[LMKipper]

Sad but yeah what an accident waiting to happen. Every site I recall playing at has been mags out in the safe zone as is the one I marshall at.
You can shout it all you want, when I stand at the entrance to the safe zone I can guarantee at least a handful of people will need to be reminded they have a live pistol on their hip they need to sort out before they go in.

See also: moscarts!

 

[ruskitseller]

Hopefully he will be ok - but 2ft distance with normal pistol power is bad news. Hopefully he is very lucky. The site should be liable for this in some way? I have never heard of a site allowing any kind of mags in RIFS in safezone. I think the post has been taken down now too or was it in a private group?

 

[Hatchet]

I think this is also a lesson in applying gun safety principles to Airsoft tbf. Why was the gun pointed at his friend's face to show him it?

Click to shrink...

Not stated it was his friend that got shot. If it's a chest holster at 90 degrees it's entirely possible it was the guy standing at the table next to him that's copped it as he's ND'd it on draw.

 

[Colin Allen]

BuT tEh DiScLaImEr......

Which I suspect will do fuck all if its ever trialled especially given the (spicy) test case a few decades back where it transpired that consenting to having ones testicles nailed to a wooden board does not actually prevent the person doing the nailing from being up in front of a judge.

Click to shrink...

Disclaimers are not worth the paper they are written on or the pixels they use; event organisers are still liable for injuries or accidents that occur if they have not taken adequate precautions to prevent them.