THE TM MWS thread

[AlphaBear]

You actually do have a point..... With a magpul grip you no longer have that finger rest and even I with my manly hands find it a tad uncomfortable... but a pair of tactical mitts sorts it out... Alternatively a bit of Sugru will do it... 

 

[gunbod007]

^ Thanks

Couple of other things. Gonna run a new stock. Thinking Magpul CTR but I am keeping the front sight post and M4A1 hanguard so no MK18 for me. I guess kinda hybrid. Might look good, might look horrible. I need mil spec or commercial? 

Gonna mount a rear sling mount on the buffer tube. Don't really like running it off the stock. I want something thats not gonna snap like pot metal obviously. 

Is it a bitch to remove the buffer tube and install a rear plate sling mount. Seems like if you get this wrong could screw up the distance required for the recoil spring also I Gott buy some proprietary castle nut screw thing?

These are vaguely answered elsewhere in the forum but thought it would be handy having it all here.

 

[AlphaBear]

I run a mil spec CTR on mine....the friction lock engages nicely too.

Rear sling mount > well its whatever you fancy really. Mine has the Marui CQBR/MK18 sling plate. Angry gun also does the same.. You can also get QD sling plates... There really is a lot of choice. 

 

[gunbod007]

I run a mil spec CTR on mine....the friction lock engages nicely too.

Rear sling mount > well its whatever you fancy really. Mine has the Marui CQBR/MK18 sling plate. Angry gun also does the same.. You can also get QD sling plates... There really is a lot of choice. 

Thanks that's super helpful. CTR here I come, If I can find an FDE one.

Gonna watch the Eagle 6 video on removing the buffer tube. Little nervous to put the sling plate on but let's see.

 

[AlphaBear]

It does look nice especially if you have the Magpul grip too. There is a little side to side movement but nothing to worry about. If you’re OCD about that then a little electrical tape on the buffer should fix it. 

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[gunbod007]

It does look nice especially if you have the Magpul grip too. There is a little side to side movement but nothing to worry about. If you’re OCD about that then a little electrical tape on the buffer should fix it. 

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very nice, they're out of stock everywhere right now. It can't wobble more than the LE stock it comes with. How did you find reattaching buffer tube after sling mount. you gotta get a certain number of twists right?

 

[AlphaBear]

Mine's the CQB version so the sling mount was already attached. And yes you do need to twist a number of times..... it's somewhere on this thread. Here's a thought, the easiest way I guess is to mark the buffer tube with some white dots and use that as a reference when you screw the buffer back on with the sling plate... It may be trail and error but its probably takes the guess work out. Or just count the number of twists when you remove it... simple really

 

[gunbod007]

Mine's the CQB version so the sling mount was already attached. And yes you do need to twist a number of times..... it's somewhere on this thread. Here's a thought, the easiest way I guess is to mark the buffer tube with some white dots and use that as a reference when you screw the buffer back on with the sling plate... It may be trail and error but its probably takes the guess work out. Or just count the number of twists when you remove it... simple really

Yeah good idea, Now sell me that stock! ? haha

 

[alxndrhll]

I could be mis-remembering but generally speaking you just get the tube screwed in to the point it’s flush (or as close to flush as you can get it) with the lower receiver, with the sling plate being correctly orientated. If you fit it and have issues with the bolt lock (or are using a HSB) just back it off one rotation and jobs a good ‘un.

Trial and error is fine, the only thing you can really do much damage to (assuming you’re using the right tool to loosen off the castle nut, that ideally being an armourers wrench of some description) is the small spring which keeps the part behind the trigger in check. Just be sure to remove your buffer/buffer spring before you start taking anything off.

 

[gunbod007]

I could be mis-remembering but generally speaking you just get the tube screwed in to the point it’s flush (or as close to flush as you can get it) with the lower receiver, with the sling plate being correctly orientated. If you fit it and have issues with the bolt lock (or are using a HSB) just back it off one rotation and jobs a good ‘un.

Trial and error is fine, the only thing you can really do much damage to (assuming you’re using the right tool to loosen off the castle nut, that ideally being an armourers wrench of some description) is the small spring which keeps the part behind the trigger in check. Just be sure to remove your buffer/buffer spring before you start taking anything off.

Nice one thanks, Yeah seen the trick with unwinding a rotation on Eagle 6 take down video. 

For my OCD might just run a QD sling direct to the CTR stock haha

 

[alxndrhll]

Side note, no idea if their stock levels are accurate so may be worth emailing ahead of ordering but FDE CTRs seem to be in stock here.

I can’t give a person recommendation on the vendor but seems ‘legit’ enough.

Outside of that I imagine restocks of pretty much everything are a decent wait at this point given the general situation of worldwide logistics and the impact of that on production pipelines, alongside Magpul seemingly winding up for their 2021 releases.

 

[gunbod007]

Side note, no idea if their stock levels are accurate so may be worth emailing ahead of ordering but FDE CTRs seem to be in stock here.

I can’t give a person recommendation on the vendor but seems ‘legit’ enough.

Outside of that I imagine restocks of pretty much everything are a decent wait at this point given the general situation of worldwide logistics and the impact of that on production pipelines, alongside Magpul seemingly winding up for their 2021 releases.

Great spot, ordered now.

 

[AlphaBear]

Talking of Magpul CTRs I believe this is the successor to it. The SLK. And no it’s not Merc inspired ?

To be honest I’m not really feeling it! It doesn’t have the same wow feel as the CTR design does in my opinion. Of course I’ve not seen one in hand yet so that may change.  Has anyone on here grabbed one yet? 

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[Hypokondrikern]

@Hypokondrikern
 

The MWS itself is pretty lightweight, especially with a modern hand guard/rail.

The trigger set is proprietary ZET system, you’d be a fool to change it out, all made of steel, and superbly reliable.

The buffer tube and receiver are also high quality aluminium, and the receiver is cerakote’d.

I see, I’m just used to the TM Detonics where certain parts were made more weighty than needed to give a hefty feel to the replica ( there were even two pot metal weights in the grip ). I thought that there might be some parts on the MWSs receiver that were made with the same unnecessary heavy metals which could be replaced as I have done all I can think of to reduce weight so far.
 

I have now:

# lightweight bolt

# 3D printed barrel

# aluminum barrel nut

# mlok aluminum handguard 

# aluminum charging handle

The build brings me a smile every time I pick it up. But the weight watcher subscription is still on and I thought I could save 200-300g by changing trigger box or receiver to a lighter aluminum. It’s all a bit of a game for me inspired by the AR15 forums and clips in my YouTube algorithm..
 

I thought some parts like these would bring me further. 

https://www.rainbow8.com/products/gunsmodify-aluminium-cnc-trigger-box-for-marui-mws-m4-gbbr?_pos=17&_sid=8b319b9ce&_ss=r

https://www.redwolfairsoft.com/guns-modify-aluminum-cnc-receiver-set-for-tokyo-marui-m4-mws-gbbr-aero-style-marking.html

“exceptionally lightweight” maybe just a sales pitch? 
 

I might have reached the limit before one needs to skeletonize the receiver, which is not the look I want go for. 
 

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Talking of Magpul CTRs I believe this is the successor to it. The SLK. And no it’s not Merc inspired ?

To be honest I’m not really feeling it! It doesn’t have the same wow feel as the CTR design does in my opinion. Of course I’ve not seen one in hand yet so that may change.  Has anyone on here grabbed one yet? 

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Kinda dig it!

here is a cheaper version of it for the one on a budget:

https://www.taiwangun.com/stock/slim-ar15-m4-pdw-stock-black-bd-2?from=listing&campaign-id=19

Also somewhat new producer of MWS parts called Revanchist. Any verdict so far? Are their parts any good? They did a 45 deg selector which could be the next thing for all of us semi-onlys
 

https://shop.jkarmy.com/revanchist-ambi-selector-45-deg-for-marui-m4-mws-black.html

still impressed by all the incredible improvements being added to this platform in the middle of a pandemic 

 

[ajumma]

Talking of Magpul CTRs I believe this is the successor to it. The SLK. And no it’s not Merc inspired ?

To be honest I’m not really feeling it! It doesn’t have the same wow feel as the CTR design does in my opinion. Of course I’ve not seen one in hand yet so that may change.  Has anyone on here grabbed one yet? 

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I’ve got one of these coming, though the box has an incorrectly spelt name on it so I wasn’t allowed to pick it up from the service point... now I have to wait until 8th Feb for it to be returned to sender and have the label amended then sent BACK to me again ?? 

I’m pretty sure that ATRG guy uses this stock on his urgi build though so maybe he has info on it 

 

[SSPKali]

Talking of Magpul CTRs I believe this is the successor to it. The SLK. And no it’s not Merc inspired ?

To be honest I’m not really feeling it! It doesn’t have the same wow feel as the CTR design does in my opinion. Of course I’ve not seen one in hand yet so that may change.  Has anyone on here grabbed one yet? 

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Looks like an Ugg boot...guess if you like FN SCARs it might be ok ???

 

[AlphaBear]

Here's a thought, with an after market Magpul clone, one may need to be careful with the QD points on the stock perhaps? Are they strong enough to swing a sling off? At least with a real CTR the QD point is rock solid and you can swing anything off it so not worry about your gun dropping off the sling. 

Also this SLK design I'm sure would have had a lot of input/feedback from real world operators no doubt for it to have been manufactured..... It still looks too PTS to me..... but until I see one for real I'll reserve judgement

 

[gunbod007]

Here's a thought, with an after market Magpul clone, one may need to be careful with the QD points on the stock perhaps? Are they strong enough to swing a sling off? At least with a real CTR the QD point is rock solid and you can swing anything off it so not worry about your gun dropping off the sling. 

Also this SLK design I'm sure would have had a lot of input/feedback from real world operators no doubt for it to have been manufactured..... It still looks too PTS to me..... but until I see one for real I'll reserve judgement

I really don't like the look of it but judging by their website it aimed at more compact rifles 10.3" and PDW. Would look out of place on my 14.5 MWS.

Good point about the QD points. I've decided I can't be asked taking off the buffer tube and so I am going to trust my milspec CTR QD point. I am more worried about the buffer tube taking the weight than I am about the sling point breaking. Especially of I sling it asking quickly. Going to use a 1 point sling.

 

[AlphaBear]

I really don't like the look of it but judging by their website it aimed at more compact rifles 10.3" and PDW. Would look out of place on my 14.5 MWS.

Good point about the QD points. I've decided I can't be asked taking off the buffer tube and so I am going to trust my milspec CTR QD point. I am more worried about the buffer tube taking the weight than I am about the sling point breaking. Especially of I sling it asking quickly. Going to use a 1 point sling.

Don't use any cheapie QD's....  I wouldn't risk my MWS with them... Fire Support sell the PTS ones... they are pucker... (same as Magpul ones as a matter of fact but 1 inch buckle as opposed to Magpul 1.25")

https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/pts-1-qd-sling-swivel

Oh the buffer tube will not snap! Unless you sit on it

 

[quango2k]

Talking of Magpul CTRs I believe this is the successor to it. The SLK. And no it’s not Merc inspired ?

To be honest I’m not really feeling it! It doesn’t have the same wow feel as the CTR design does in my opinion. Of course I’ve not seen one in hand yet so that may change.  Has anyone on here grabbed one yet? 

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The K version is a lot smaller. the MOE SL is the CTR replacement, the SL-K has no anti wobble built in where the SL does. The K is more along the line of the original MOE with no anti wobble.  

Edit:  the K also has no QD sling mount, like the original MOE. 

I have an SL en route so I will do a comparison with my original MOE and the CTR.