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THE TM MWS thread

@gunbod007the MWS can take black gas.... you should see how much they power these up stateside.... it's well scary!!! You will need an NPAS to regulate the power though and like I said earlier the nozzle spring is the weakest link and that will go at some point depending on it's abuse... On my last game I only used Abbey Ultra Predator and the gun rocked... mind you that was Aug time so the sun was still kinda here and I believe the temp was about 15-18c

1. G&P adjustable power nozzle valve 

2. RATech NPAS

3. Angry Gun adjustable nozzle 

4. DIY NPAS (someone here made one and it's in this thread somewhere)

Oh TM pistols and plastic slides and black gas is a NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOO :D

 
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On TM mags normal air is dispelled from the full valve whilst gassing up.

Thus you fill with gas, hissing is normal air vacating the mag, then when you get a spurt of gas/liquid the mag is brimmed.

 
AlphaBear said:
@gunbod007the MWS can take black gas.... you should see how much they power these up stateside.... it's well scary!!! You will need an NPAS to regulate the power though and like I said earlier the nozzle spring is the weakest link and that will go at some point depending on it's abuse... On my last game I only used Abbey Ultra Predator and the gun rocked... mind you that was Aug time so the sun was still kinda here and I believe the temp was about 15-18c

1. G&P adjustable power nozzle valve 

2. RATech NPAS

3. Angry Gun adjustable nozzle 

4. DIY NPAS (someone here made one and it's in this thread somewhere)

Oh TM pistols and plastic slides and black gas is a NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOO :D
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OK last dumb question. When the nozzle return spring eventually breaks would you replace with TM or something else? Have seen a UAC one at bedaubing but he had a major malfunction

 
gunbod007 said:
OK last dumb question. When the nozzle return spring eventually breaks would you replace with TM or something else? Have seen a UAC one at bedaubing but he had a major malfunction
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TM ones are like rocking horse poop..... you won't easily find them...  I have a spare G&P one in case my Marui one goes pop... In fact Eagle6 makes their own version of the MGG2-121 (that's the part number)... I wasn't aware of that until just now....only £10!! perfect

https://eagle6.co.uk/shop/catalog/product/view/id/6343/s/eaglesix-bcg-nozzle-return-spring-for-tm-m4-mws-gbbr/

 
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Just one thought around MWS vs HPA rifles. Before I found this forum and had bought my second hand MWS, I had just sold my KC02 and was on the lookout for a new primary. I was browsing and testing different HPA and AEG systems but always came to the same conclusion: my gun, my secondary will always run on gas so why not have the primary rifle in the same system for ease of maintenance and logistics. This has held up until this date. Sure, I’m teased to leave the MWS for a kythera with a c02 stock or the reputable DAS GBLS. Especially for the lighter magazines and greater shot capacity without suffering too much realism. But I always fall back on the thought of having primary and secondary ( not to mention my tornado grenades ) in the same system, operated by green gas. And to be fair, these others systems if they fail in field you’ll most likely need a significant reparation not suited for the field which leaves you in the need of a backup rifle. The MWS has a wonderful trick up its sleeve, the part that is most likely to fail is the nozzle spring housed in the BCG. Carrying an extra BCG is for me like having a backup rifle. 
 

Anyway, I logged in to check with you guys whether the receiver, trigger box and buffer tube are worth switching out to a version in aluminum if I want to save weight? What’s the material of the OGs? Would the weight saving be significant or negligible? 

 
Hypokondrikern said:
Just one thought around MWS vs HPA rifles. Before I found this forum and had bought my second hand MWS, I had just sold my KC02 and was on the lookout for a new primary. I was browsing and testing different HPA and AEG systems but always came to the same conclusion: my gun, my secondary will always run on gas so why not have the primary rifle in the same system for ease of maintenance and logistics. This has held up until this date. Sure, I’m teased to leave the MWS for a kythera with a c02 stock or the reputable DAS GBLS. Especially for the lighter magazines and greater shot capacity without suffering too much realism. But I always fall back on the thought of having primary and secondary ( not to mention my tornado grenades ) in the same system, operated by green gas. And to be fair, these others systems if they fail in field you’ll most likely need a significant reparation not suited for the field which leaves you in the need of a backup rifle. The MWS has a wonderful trick up its sleeve, the part that is most likely to fail is the nozzle spring housed in the BCG. Carrying an extra BCG is for me like having a backup rifle. 
 

Anyway, I logged in to check with you guys whether the receiver, trigger box and buffer tube are worth switching out to a version in aluminum if I want to save weight? What’s the material of the OGs? Would the weight saving be significant or negligible? 
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That’s actually a good idea carrying a spare BCG for that ‘just in case’ moment. And the nozzle spring is the weakest link let’s face it. 

 
Anyone got any advise to make the trigger less...erm....poo? 

Other than buying a completely different trigger box..

 
@Hypokondrikern
 

The MWS itself is pretty lightweight, especially with a modern hand guard/rail.

The trigger set is proprietary ZET system, you’d be a fool to change it out, all made of steel, and superbly reliable.

The buffer tube and receiver are also high quality aluminium, and the receiver is cerakote’d.

 
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quango2k said:
Anyone got any advise to make the trigger less...erm....poo? 

Other than buying a completely different trigger box..
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I pulled the trigger mech apart, installed a Guns modify trigger, but sanded down the sides and polished them. Polished the two box halfs. Installed a Dytac spring set. Now I have a decent trigger. Its still a tad gritty. But resets nicely. Its mainly due to the Marui trigger box.

I also find aerosol silicone lube works best with the trigger box. As its rather thin and runny.

 
Davegolf said:
@Hypokondrikern
 

The MWS itself is pretty lightweight, especially with a modern hand guard/rail.

The trigger set is proprietary ZET system, you’d be a fool to change it out, all made of steel, and superbly reliable.

The buffer tube and receiver are also high quality aluminium, and the receiver is cerakote’d.
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Those sears are some kind of metal coated with silver something that scratches easily. I would not call it steel though.

 
I honestly don't understand the whole 'why you need to change the trigger box parts' to make the trigger more efficient. To me it's fine the way it is... I've seen Badabing mention it, Redwolf and a few others but I really don't get it.... I pull the trigger, it fires.... I release my finger.. I pull the trigger again and so on... I mean what am I missing here? The so called reset? It's a GBBR not a NGRS with a Gate Titan... Maybe I'm being totally blonde here (no offence to any blondies) but what gives.... and no I'm not asking for a friend ?

 
AlphaBear said:
I honestly don't understand the whole 'why you need to change the trigger box parts' to make the trigger more efficient. To me it's fine the way it is... I've seen Badabing mention it, Redwolf and a few others but I really don't get it.... I pull the trigger, it fires.... I release my finger.. I pull the trigger again and so on... I mean what am I missing here? The so called reset? It's a GBBR not a NGRS with a Gate Titan... Maybe I'm being totally blonde here (no offence to any blondies) but what gives.... and no I'm not asking for a friend ?
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You got that wrong. No AEG has a realistic trigger, only gbbrs. If you ever fired a RS AR15 then you would feel the difference. Of course mws is a toy and I’m not expecting it to be like the RS but it’s true that GHK has a more snappy trigger. Overall imho mws trigger is just fine.

 
jsmithski said:
You got that wrong. No AEG has a realistic trigger, only gbbrs. If you ever fired a RS AR15 then you would feel the difference. Of course mws is a toy and I’m not expecting it to be like the RS but it’s true that GHK has a more snappy trigger. Overall imho mws trigger is just fine.
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No I know an AEG doesn’t have a realistic trigger. I wasn’t trying to say that I was merely pointing out my recoil has a hairline trigger. Granted I’ve never fired a real AR let alone a real gun which is why I don’t get the fuss about trigger. To me it seems fine. Normal almost. I guess coz I don’t have a reference to compare it to it’s difficult for me to judge. Am I making sense or taking complete rubbish? 

 
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AlphaBear said:
No I know an AEG doesn’t have a realistic trigger. I wasn’t trying to say that I was merely pointing out my recoil has a hairline trigger. Granted I’ve never fired a real AR let alone a real gun which is why I don’t get the fuss about trigger. To me it seems fine. Normal almost. I guess coz I don’t have a reference to compare it to it’s difficult for me to judge. Am I making sense or taking complete rubbish? 
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Humble brag, fanciest trigger I've pulled is a RS L85 variant. Can't remember if it was any good 

 
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gunbod007 said:
Humble brag, fanciest trigger I've pulled is a RS L85 variant. Can't remember if it was any good 
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Because those things you start to feel after some time. I’m used to the mws trigger already so don’t complain. The rifle is fine ;)

 
The MWS trigger function and reliability is perfect.

However it is a bit mushy, and the wall/reset are weak and slightly variable.

This can be improved upon as mentioned recently and historically in this thread.

 
I replaced my trigger internals as the previous owner had filled it full of sand and never lubed it :( WiiTech internals are very well finished and high quality materials. Graphite lock lube FTW.

The stock trigger as new is ok, probably on a par with the L119A1 I had a play with one time although my MWS jams less ?

My usual go-to comparison for triggers is the Weihrach Rekord unit in HW air rifles, and the Sandwell Field Sports tuned one the pinnacle.

TL;DR until it breaks / wears out leave it be.

 
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