THE TM MWS thread

[AlphaBear]

I am not sure what size screw is needed but if you measure with some calipers the hole and round up to the nearest whole mm you should be able to Google for it.

Eg. If it is 2.78mm hole I would get some 3mm diameter Metric grub screws in a few lengths (6mm / 8mm / 10mm maybe?! Not seeing the original I am guestimating!)

I would love to know this too!

TBH the MWS trigger isn't that bad, just has feel unlike AEG switches ?

I have found that stripping the trigger box and polishing the parts (and clearing out the grit and sand that the previous owner had filled it with!) helped a lot. Some 0.1mm shims (M4 and M6 size) to get rid of any excessive play / twist on parts can help but too many and it jams up...you need patience for that! I spent a previous life servicing and tuning MTB suspension so I love this sort of thing ?

I have a Wii Tech hammer and spring on order as my trigger set would not play nice with the Wii Tech marksman sear (maybe due to worn parts?) so I will report on that once I have fitted it all. The Wii Tech parts are really well finished but replacing the entire trigger box contents is about $200 ?? 

TL;DR: Don't let the trigger put you off.

OMG there was grit and sand in the trigger assembly? What was the previous owner doing? Making sand castles with it? 

I dunno ... as the years go by, I am less and less of a m4 fan ? I do kinda like the mk18 (wish it had a extended outer barrel though).
 

My main concern is availability of M4 mags, I know my local shop had 20’ish (all they could get) coming.... but there all pre-sold now. Then again with the ak, there is probably going to be a equal demand etc

edit:- I tend to keep going back to blasters bb’s

The Mk18 will be circa around the £549 according to defconairsoft... I'm sure you can get a barrel extender kit but then why do it? You might as well get the MTR? Ok, it's not a real life gun but ditch the stock snd replace it with a CTR to make it look better...

Regarding the mags, there is a massive global shortage... even some of the usual Japanese suspects are showing out of stock.... that's on their 'English' websites though.... Firesupport had about 35 in and they all went within less than a week. They were capped to a max of 4 per customer though... Probably worth giving them a call and asking if they will get any more in. Same with the AK...

 

[Uncle Pauly]

The Mk18 will be circa around the £549 according to defconairsoft...

Do you have link to the info on that? (just curious).

I’m less excited by the MK18 myself… I’m sure it’ll be great, but it’s an easy build based on just the stock M4 MWS with some good after-market MK18 handguards out there (I guess accounting for the estimated price-hike from the stock MWS).

I am however very excited about the prospect of a Marui GBBR AK   I own a GHK AK (also great), but the idea of Marui adding some of their own magic to the platform should be cool. More GBBR AKs can only be a good thing.

 

[sp00n]

OMG there was grit and sand in the trigger assembly? What was the previous owner doing? Making sand castles with it? 

The Mk18 will be circa around the £549 according to defconairsoft... I'm sure you can get a barrel extender kit but then why do it? You might as well get the MTR? Ok, it's not a real life gun but ditch the stock snd replace it with a CTR to make it look better...

Regarding the mags, there is a massive global shortage... even some of the usual Japanese suspects are showing out of stock.... that's on their 'English' websites though.... Firesupport had about 35 in and they all went within less than a week. They were capped to a max of 4 per customer though... Probably worth giving them a call and asking if they will get any more in. Same with the AK...

The mk18 is on pre-order at my local shop for £495 (but with a note that this may go up etc). I am not a fan of the shorter cqbr style, I prefer the barrel to extend slightly, like the standard m4a1 mws, think g&g R8-L (I sound old and cranky now lol .... but I know what I like ?)

I just love the look of old akm’s .... and I do happen to have a RS nsp3 (soviet era night sight) iirc

 

[Marroksteel]

And it came yesterday.

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[Davegolf]

Surely you you don’t need the optics riser now you have a HK upper?

The sight is naturally higher than an AR upper?

 

[AlphaBear]

@Marroksteel
I’m not a big fan of the 50 shades of tan but that HAO kit sure looks very Gucci. I believe you’ll be one of the early adopters of this kit too as it’s not been out long. 
 

It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the build and whether it was pain free etc. And more importantly how does it look, handle and feel. 
 

Also, why are the mags a tad different? They have that extended plastic parts showing? Did they come with the HAO kit? 

 

[Davegolf]

I must say that grip colour looks awesome, whether that’s just the camera i do t know.

 

[P4radox]

I noticed that the Guns Modify CNC 6061T6 Aluminum Complete Hop Up Adjuster Set for Tokyo Marui M4 MWS GBBR only raises bbs up to 0.32 grams.

The reason is clear to me, it works better for the original, but it broke a couple of months ago.  I want to lift 0.36 bbs, but with the red wheel it does not work, maximum 0.32

Do I need to order the original or is there an alternative to lift heavier balls (I have Super Nub and Modify tan)

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Same problem, though I love GunsModify actually this wheel not able to lift up to 0.36' ,I use 0.30g and I have to turn up the wheel almost until the "knock" the effective province only the last

5-8 click and have no acceptable/stabile solution for.

    If you wanna use the orginal hopup wheel you should use the origi spring+nub the GM one too strong thats why it breaks the plastic wheel.

 

[Marroksteel]

Surely you you don’t need the optics riser now you have a HK upper?

The sight is naturally higher than an AR upper?

Its nice to have the option for facemasks or helmets.

Those are the Prowin/SAA mags

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The Wilcox industries risers are for basically night vision systems.

The barrel nut needs some shims and The Reptile House is the first to get a review on building a HAO CAG 416D.

https://thereptilehouseblog.com/2020/09/26/battle-of-the-cags-hao-vs-angry-gun-hk416d-kit-for-tokyo-marui-mws-zet-system-by-gbb-dude/

 

[Davegolf]

@P4radox stock tm hop unit, bucking and Super Nub will lift 0.36

 

[AlphaBear]

I know TRH very well and his review was one of the first that’s for sure. I’d go HAO each and every time over any other kit eventhough AG was first to market. 

 

[Wo1f]

Before I go track one down on the interwebz... does anyone have the brass collar from the end of the outer barrel they’re willing to part with? Or even a complete 10.5 barrel? 

 

[P4radox]

@P4radox stock tm hop unit, bucking and Super Nub will lift 0.36

Yes ,just spoke about the Gunsmodify "Fine tune" wheel

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[GregArm]

I think Davegolf meant this wheel.

This wheel will press the Super Nub better and the heavier balls will spin and lift.

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[PopRocket123]

I bet I could print one of those from polycarbonate it'd be almost as strong as the aluminium one

 

[Davegolf]

@P4radox as a fix you can cut a small square of plastic sheet, the sort that the clear packaging display boxes are made of - that the guns modify hop unit probably can in lol - and superglue it onto one of the hop arm paddles.

Basically increasing the relayed pressure applied from the first (hop wheel driven) lever to the second lever (pushing the nub)

 

[SSPKali]

Update on WiiTech Marksman Sear debacle....you know the one where it light strikes the gas valve with the safety on or when you release the trigger to reset! ?

I bit the bullet and purchased a Wii Tech MWS hammer and hammer spring set from FireSupport. I figured the old hammer was worn and not playing nice with the precision WiiTech sear.

It turned up in the usual fast time and like the sear was really well machined and finished. It will be interesting to see how the polymer roller does as this apparently is kinder on the bolt.

I fitted the hammer, sear and springs and took out all my previous shims to ensure a fair initial test.

Guess what? It did it again ?‍ Seems that the act of the trigger resetting in semi allows hammer to creep up the face of the sear and push the valve knocker 1/3 of the way out. A subsequent trigger pull fires it the remaining 2/3 and drops the FPS output.

I took out the sear and fitted the original TM one, this time it was working fine. I shimmed the trigger pivot and sears again to remove play / torsion and re fitted it all. The reset was a bit mushy / indistinct but I think the trigger plate / disconnector springs are a bit worn...most importantly it is working as it should and safely!

I have ordered a regular semi auto sear (and all the other trigger box parts!) from WiiTech HK and will let you know how I get on with these, I think I just got unlucky with the Marksman Sear or it is *really* picky! At the end of the day I just want a smooth pull and reset I can feel, not a super precision sniper trigger!

 

[mr^Mobs]

Just reassembled my mws after getting the barrel cerakoted in vortex bronze to match my scope.

Would highly recommend MPH Cerakoting if anyone fancies a splash of colour on the baby.

https://www.facebook.com/mphcerakoting/

I've attached some pictures, because I'm a proud father

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[Marroksteel]

So... yeah mws carbine came in yesterday morning and literally spent the day taking it apart and figured out how it works then refitting it to the Hao and got to the point where I thought(evil things) should I just buy G&P's complete trigger, bolt catch upgrade, hop unit, and other bits and have 2 mws's lol I'm going Tokyo marui crazy....

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[AlphaBear]

So... yeah mws carbine came in yesterday morning and literally spent the day taking it apart and figured out how it works then refitting it to the Hao and got to the point where I thought(evil things) should I just buy G&P's complete trigger, bolt catch upgrade, hop unit, and other bits and have 2 mws's lol I'm going Tokyo marui crazy....

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Here’s a thought. Take it all apart again and video it