THE TM MWS thread

[gunbod007]

Got 1.3J at Zmart CQB with my MWS the other day. was a warm evening game and the mags had been warming up. Used .28 tracers on abbey ultra, Was sad and had to downgrade to 144a. but is still good tbh

 

[Recoil_]

Speaking of what Gunbod said. I'm around 1.3J running .32 and green gas. Is there a good NPAS to use or is the angrygun enhanced nozzle with the inbuilt adjustable nozzle a good option to lower my FPS?

 

[AlphaBear]

Speaking of what Gunbod said. I'm around 1.3J running .32 and green gas. Is there a good NPAS to use or is the angrygun enhanced nozzle with the inbuilt adjustable nozzle a good option to lower my FPS?

Bloody hell!! 1.3j on green gas? You sure no one accidentally painted a red can green? What brand of green are you running?

 

[gunbod007]

Bloody hell!! 1.3j on green gas? You sure no one accidentally painted a red can green? What brand of green are you running?

 I mean it's basically all technically "Green Gas" but yeah Abbey has the red and other colour bottles. Still green gas though. I was so shocked that with all stock parts, besides nub, it was over the limit but I guess an indoor site at about 20+ degrees will do that

Speaking of what Gunbod said. I'm around 1.3J running .32 and green gas. Is there a good NPAS to use or is the angrygun enhanced nozzle with the inbuilt adjustable nozzle a good option to lower my FPS?

Depends what temp you were in. If this was a one off on a hot day. Try using Abbey 144a summer gas. If that is all standard parts you shouldn't be getting that high FPS unless weather is quite warm.

 

[AlphaBear]

 I mean it's basically all technically "Green Gas" but yeah Abbey has the red and other colour bottles. Still green gas though. I was so shocked that with all stock parts, besides nub, it was over the limit but I guess an indoor site at about 20+ degrees will do that

Depends what temp you were in. If this was a one off on a hot day. Try using Abbey 144a summer gas. If that is all standard parts you shouldn't be getting that high FPS unless weather is quite warm.

Yes, the Abbey Predator Ultra is green gas but with more accelerant in it to give it extra welly. I forgot how powerful the gas was in sub 20c temperature. The Abbey green bottle gas (144a) shouldn't take it over the joules limit though as you said... I'll take some shots with 144a tomorrow if I have the time and see what the joules output is... It's gonna be circa 23c tomorrow in my neck of the woods so that will be a good measure of what summer gas can do. I won't leave the mag in the sun though as that's surely asking for trouble lol

 

[Recoil_]

Bloody hell!! 1.3j on green gas? You sure no one accidentally painted a red can green? What brand of green are you running?

Nuprol 2.0, just changed the hop rubber that’s all. Shot it this afternoon and the first few shots were 1.34J before after 5-6 shots in quick succession, it dropped to below 1.14J

 I mean it's basically all technically "Green Gas" but yeah Abbey has the red and other colour bottles. Still green gas though. I was so shocked that with all stock parts, besides nub, it was over the limit but I guess an indoor site at about 20+ degrees will do that

Depends what temp you were in. If this was a one off on a hot day. Try using Abbey 144a summer gas. If that is all standard parts you shouldn't be getting that high FPS unless weather is quite warm.

And the temp was as it was today, ~23-24 degrees. Mags were in my car in the shade as I drove to a shop to use their range

 

[alxndrhll]

Yes, the Abbey Predator Ultra is green gas but with more accelerant in it to give it extra welly. I forgot how powerful the gas was in sub 20c temperature. The Abbey green bottle gas (144a) shouldn't take it over the joules limit though as you said... I'll take some shots with 144a tomorrow if I have the time and see what the joules output is... It's gonna be circa 23c tomorrow in my neck of the woods so that will be a good measure of what summer gas can do. I won't leave the mag in the sun though as that's surely asking for trouble lol

While aware it's splitting hairs it might be information that's useful to some, but it's nothing to do with 'accelerant'. Taking the 3 main Abbey gasses as an example 144a and Ultra Predator are essentially the exact same gas, it's just the pressure in the can is higher in Ultra Pred. If memory serves 'Brut Sniper gas' (or whatever that's branded these days) is different in terms of what's in it because it's got no lube in it so it's essentially just dry propane (maybe perfumed?), but the increase in power is all down to the pressure it's at in the can.

Generally speaking the only thing that'll cause alterations in how powerful the various brands of green gas is, is the pressure in the can. Much the same reason as to why the FPS/joules goes up as the mags get hotter... and conversely goes down when colder. Heat makes the pressure go up, cold makes the pressure go down.

 

[camden]

Carried out some changes to my 10.3" URGI-1 over the last few weeks. Some because I simply fancied a change but others because I have taken some things I like from my MRE build and wanted to transfer them onto this much modern rifle.

I was going to swap out the front end entirely and build up an 11.5" barrel complete with a Geissele MK4 rail. 

But I just love the compactness of the 10.3" and I know its a very common rail in the safe zone, but the URGI is just fantastic and it would take something pretty special to beat it IMO, in terms of its slim profile and ergonomics. 

So the 4 prong SF Flash Hider has gone in favour for a SF closed-tine. Think of it like a modern day bird cage flash hider. (Both made by Angry Gun)

The Magpul hand stop has been replaced with a TrueNorth Concepts Handstop-K a much smaller profile and takes advantage of the slim design of the urgi rail.

Having really missed the ambi fire selector fitted to my MRE I wanted the same on the urgi albeit a little more modern. So enter the PTS Radian Talon ambi selector, which is very well made and offers solid/precise manipulation. 

I was so impressed with the PTS fire selector I coupled it with their licensed version of the Radian Raptor-LT charging handle.

I love the vertical shooting position of the Magpul MOE K2 Pistol Grip, but prefer the rubber grip that the Hogue offers on my MRE. Luckily Magpul make the 'K2+' which is an overmolded grip with rubber, giving me the best of both worlds. 

I've now fitted a Angry Gun Milspec buffer tube as it has worked flawlessly on my MRE and takes out any slop with genuine stocks. This has been followed with a SixG HSB to improve single shot performance, I've tested it and it works very well indeed. Looking forward to testing it further in game!

Lastly as much as I'm a fan of the small form factor of the Magpul MOE SL-K, I just miss shouldering a rifle with a CTR fitted. Let's be honest that stock suits any build even if its been around for a while now!

A Magpul enhanced magazine release, and Magpul ODG magazine pulls are also on route...

Thanks for reading my update, another post from a geardo/geek! 

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Love your build, mate. Agree on many of your choices and am now looking out for a PTS ambi switch. where did you find yours, please? and CTR stocks just rock, whatever the weather

 

[RMDavis]

Love your build, mate. Agree on many of your choices and am now looking out for a PTS ambi switch. where did you find yours, please? and CTR stocks just rock, whatever the weather

Thanks bud! ?

I picked my switch up from Fire Support, but just checked and they are now out of stock. So is Land Warrior unfortunately...

You could setup stock reminders or you can order directly from PTS if you don't mind ordering overseas?

 

[GothicGhost]

Looking for a more DMR style stock.

Would a fixed stock fit on MWS or do need different buffer tube and recoil spring set?

Moe carbine fixed stock

https://www.powair6.com/en/stock/12793-magpul-moe-fixed-carbine-stock-mil-spec-de.html

Moe rilfe fixed stock

https://www.opticsplanet.com/v/mag404-fde-magpul-industries-moe-rifle-stock.html

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I like the rifle one better if I can fit it.

Thanks for any advice.

 

[Recoil_]

Yes, the Abbey Predator Ultra is green gas but with more accelerant in it to give it extra welly. I forgot how powerful the gas was in sub 20c temperature. The Abbey green bottle gas (144a) shouldn't take it over the joules limit though as you said... I'll take some shots with 144a tomorrow if I have the time and see what the joules output is... It's gonna be circa 23c tomorrow in my neck of the woods so that will be a good measure of what summer gas can do. I won't leave the mag in the sun though as that's surely asking for trouble lol

How did the 144a go?

 

[Andropheonix]

I'm back after my post almost 5 months ago when I said I'd be buying a TM MWS... well I got one, finally managed to use it on the field, love it, range isn't what I expected running .28s on green gas and I hated only carrying 175 rounds in woodlands so only used it for 1 game, probably going to stick to using it indoors only, also managed to pick up a Magul MOE stock clone at a car boot sale for £2 which means I don't need the ugly OEM one anymore so that's a good start!

I'm looking to change the handguard, the front post upsets me, I did look through the first 15 pages of this thread and some of the more recent ones but couldn't really see what I was looking for, I gather I need an adapter of sorts? Tbh, I'm happy with the current rail length, a bit longer would be good, full picatinny is the dream and preferably black, trademarks don't interest me so I'm not looking for a £90 rail, anyone have a link to all the stuff I'd need or even just the names or products that work together?

Side note, why are rear sling mounts so expensive..?

 

[Softcore]

Anyone have any experience with the DanielDefense pistol grips? Does the integrated trigger guard on the grip work with the MWS receiver profile?

 

[hunter511]

Hive mind assemble,

After finally managing to remove the rail system and barrel from my mtr I'm considering a new, less janky looking front end. I have a BCM type outer barrel, looking at 13" and up handguards. Ive got a built up 9inch BCM set up for cqb, what I need/want is a decent setup for woodland that has decent inner barrel length (unlike the stock set up) and will provide relative consistency and accuracy. Ideally short dotted and capable of .28s.

Suggestions for inner barrel accepted. Im hoping to use a stock marui rubber with super six g nub and at the moment I am deeply unimpressed with the modify tan rubbers. Both attempts Ive made to use them have failed hard.

Also any suggestions for a longer preferably m-lok front end as the BCM ones seem to top out at 12" and I'm not a fan of marui's made up one?

 

[AlphaBear]

How did the 144a go?

First shot 337fps then going down about 1 fps per shot there after. Stabilised at 327 FPS. Im gonna add Dave’s HSB and that will bump up the FPS by 5fps. So it’s looking very promising. I’ll report back on Sunday when it’s gonna be 26c. 

 

[Captain Darling]

Hive mind assemble,

After finally managing to remove the rail system and barrel from my mtr I'm considering a new, less janky looking front end. I have a BCM type outer barrel, looking at 13" and up handguards. Ive got a built up 9inch BCM set up for cqb, what I need/want is a decent setup for woodland that has decent inner barrel length (unlike the stock set up) and will provide relative consistency and accuracy. Ideally short dotted and capable of .28s.

Suggestions for inner barrel accepted. Im hoping to use a stock marui rubber with super six g nub and at the moment I am deeply unimpressed with the modify tan rubbers. Both attempts Ive made to use them have failed hard.

Also any suggestions for a longer preferably m-lok front end as the BCM ones seem to top out at 12" and I'm not a fan of marui's made up one?

I’m currently getting good range on an orange Modify X.  I found the blue got chewed up pretty quickly, so I’m seeing how I get on with a harder compound. 

 

[KirbyHCI]

Got myself an MWS not too long ago - First upgrade was going to be the nozzle return spring as I hear it often breaks running green gas, so I got the Dynamic Precision Reinforced Valve Blocker set as I'd seen it recommended a few times and comes with everything since folks said getting the pins out to replace just the spring was nigh on impossible... But getting them IN is proving just as impossible! How in the seven hells are you supposed to get the pins that hold the spring to the pieces either end in? They just will NOT go in no matter what I try. Pliers, hammers, you name it. Any suggestions?

I also managed to bend the spring getting the plastic tube bit into the middle of it (my cockup, I was doing it while drunk and realised the method I should have used that would be less likely to damage the spring AFTER already damaging the spring). If there's a visible gap in the spring, have I stuffed it to the point of not wanting to use that spring?

Also, in the current stock configuration, there's a strange ploing/boing springy noise when the plastic nozzle springs back into the bolt and/or when the bolt returns home. It suddenly developed after a night of plinking. Is this normal? I've totally taken the bolt/etc. apart and put it back together, everything seems to be in place and nothing seems wrong, it just sounds odd and I can't find a cause and the only other MWS owner I know says it sounds weird too.

 

[Davegolf]

The nozzle return spring only breaks through fatigue from extended use, it’s not a necessary upgrade, just a spare to carry.

Only needed to be a genuine one or E6 150% one ?

 

[Andropheonix]

Got myself an MWS not too long ago - First upgrade was going to be the nozzle return spring as I hear it often breaks running green gas, so I got the Dynamic Precision Reinforced Valve Blocker set as I'd seen it recommended a few times and comes with everything since folks said getting the pins out to replace just the spring was nigh on impossible... But getting them IN is proving just as impossible! How in the seven hells are you supposed to get the pins that hold the spring to the pieces either end in? They just will NOT go in no matter what I try. Pliers, hammers, you name it. Any suggestions?

I feel your pain my dude, I bought that replacement set, had the same issue, tried so long that eventually one of the pins shattered and the other one is pretty deformed, so a good waste of money for me. I have seen drop in kits that are apparently upgraded parts, doesn't say what these upgrades are but if it has that spring set in it, it may be worth a purchase.

 

[Recoil_]

First shot 337fps then going down about 1 fps per shot there after. Stabilised at 327 FPS. Im gonna add Dave’s HSB and that will bump up the FPS by 5fps. So it’s looking very promising. I’ll report back on Sunday when it’s gonna be 26c. 

Sounds good! I've ordered the Orga NPAS so I can adjust my FPS a bit. I have a can of 144a so I'll use that if it's not delivered before then.