Silent small CQB rifle

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Hi.

I’m going to start making the trek further afield to play in CQB specific sites maybe 6 times per year. All of my rifles are not really suitable - DMR, Sniper, MTW 14” etc. And my pistols are LOUD.

And so - fab excuse to start planning. I am looking for a silent loadout. Semi auto rifle, I won’t run a pistol. Small, reliable, and quiet. Can be HPA but I’d prefer not to run a tank as I’ll be up against walls.

AR-9? AEG? GBB? Help a guy out, what should I be looking at?

Silent, small, deadly. 😀
 
If you want quiet, don't go with a GBB. They're incredibly fun and are my personal choice and what I'd go with, but they're also loud because of the moving parts. HPA is going to be the quietest, but you said you don't want to run a tank (which is valid and one of the reasons I dislike it; my MTW 308 that I rarely use has an air stock), but a well set up AEG can be pretty quiet too. If it was me, and I wasn't allowed to go for a GBB, because gas guns are all I use these days, I'd just go with something like a Cyma mp5. If you're only looking to go 6 times per year, I wouldn't even upgrade it. Stock hop will be fine for CQB and lighter ammo anyway, and that's all I replaced on my Cyma mp5k when I still had it (but I play in woodland, so the better performance at range was worth the £10 or so)

But if it was me with no limitations, I'd go for a VFC mp7 GBB. Not quiet, but definitely fun.
 
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Yeah. CQB you really don't need heavy BBs. Heavier BBs are great when you're shooting out to 40m+, which is pretty rare in CQB. I always think that people who run heavy BBs in CQB are just... it's a bit of a dick move.
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Unfortunately, there are a few players who think that unnecessarily hurting others makes them hard, or perhaps it does make them hard in a different way.
 
Ok, so back to guns. That CYMA will have the generic AEP whine right? Do suppressors do anything?
 
All AEGs do. The best way to lessen it is to use a faster motor so the noise is a lot shorter, but it's still there. Suppressors don't do much on AEGs; I say much, because they do dampen the popping sound as the BB comes out of the barrel, but that sound itself tends to be drowned out by the gearbox noises anyway.
 
Yeah. In which case I might as well modify my G&G Combat Machine M4. More suitable red dot, torch, possibly upgrade the motor.
 
fingerpuk said:
Ok, so back to guns. That CYMA will have the generic AEP whine right? Do suppressors do anything?
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A well tuned AEG with precocking, excellent shimming and a fast and torquey motor will have absolutely minimal whine. As for suppressors, they are mostly for the looks but have a small impact on the sound.
 
In my opinion, you Cant go wrong with a Scorpion Evo.
Less common but you can get HPA evos which are nice and quiet.

Or an AAP-01, throw a carbine front and on it and a side folding stock and you have a very formidable CQB primary; especially with a drum mag
Its absolutely fine stock or short stroke it, put a lighter bolt and youll get very fast follow up shots.
Ive been known to carry one as a backup to my MTW mk.12 DMR.
 
I have seen the TM p90tr built incredibly quiet my using the included foam filled silencer and packing out the inside of the body with sound deadening foam. Same with an AUG with a phantom kit, although not really any use to you in CQB. Of course it doesn't matter how quiet your RIF is if someone is stood next to you cooking off mag after mag at a door frame.
 
I see I have much to learn about CQB.

Ok, I’ll take my VMP-1 and my G&G M4 and just stick some torches on them.
 
Personally I don't use aegs for cqb as unless you get one with precocking there's always going to be a slight delay between pulling the trigger and the BB leaving the barrel and in cqb targets are often only visible for fractions of a second.

Is there any reason you don't want a pistol? I find they're great when trying to move through tight spaces. If it's the noise you're concerned with them have a look at the nbb mk23 socom.

Re bbs many cqb sites ban heavy ammo anyway, Blackstone cap the max weight at .28g and the Epsom tunnels at .25
 
there is an alternative to a tank - C02 canisters either in the stock or on the airline. My mate ran them on an airline at a single shot only site and only used 2 large ones the whole day.

As others have said its basically
HPA - quiestest
AEG - if shimmed and made correctly, can be silent - but wont be as good trigger response even well tuned.
GBB - lots of moving parts unless you go for something like a MK23 nonbb pistol.

Spring shotguns, if tuned to reduce spring vibration can be very quiet, and very good trigger response. Not sure about GBB shotguns, not seen or used.

Suppressor, depends on what they are on and the make. something like a systema PTW with a suppressor is pretty quiet, my Tack'd PTW was very quiet and great for CQB, I sold it as i stopped playing and now i use GBB.
 
Depends on how quiet you want to go.

The gold standard is a well dialled solenoid hpa engine with a sufficiently large foam filled can. Ofc avoiding a tank and line is going to come with compromises like reduced round counts before replenishing.

A non blowback gas gun, with the generic example being the mk23 can be made similarly quiet, so a carbine kit could be a good option and much cheaper than the hpa route.

Silent aeg builds are a thing, and some patterns like the f2000 are known to have less audible signature even without taking active steps to quieten them. Although in the f2k's case the quietness wont be noticed by the shooter.

Tbh i'm less sure how helpful silence is to cqb, given its much faster paced and mobile with close by player noise to lose your own audio signature in. Plus with hard walls the sound of rounds hitting them (or players) will negate however quiet their launcher is.

Remember the golden rule of stealth play is the best you ever get the time it takes for the guy you just tagged to trudge back to spawn then come hunt you down, at worse his buddies will get you instantly when he shouts hit.
 
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I'm with @Adolf Hamster on this, its cqb, every aspect points to more noise, close proximity, hard surfaces with no soft furnishings to soak up sound, the list goes on & on.
I'd recommend something short, & rather than trying to make it quieter, make it louder, fit it with one of noise enhancing flash riders, make the other team fearful with more noise coming at them & bouncing of the walls, causing more confusion.
& for those times when its quiet around you & you want to go sneaky, switch to your sidearm,any half decent nbb pistol, mk23 or a ruger, with a nice size padded can on the front will be excellent.
Other than that, you'll need deep pockets & a lot of patience chasing this particular holy grail, many have tried, few succeed.
 
I stick with the MP5K platform for CQB. Have both the Cyma Platinum and the WE Apache gas versions. As a platform its barely bigger than a pistol and really customisable with a lot of stock / hand guard / fore grip options.

The Cyma is quieter, has a faster trigger response / lighter pull / higher rate of fire and more ammo in the mags.

The WE is so much fun to use with the trigger pull / the kick back / the noise / the dead mans click when you empty a mag.

Our local field also limits ammo to 350 rounds a game so 3x Cyma mags vs 7x Apache mags but games are short in length and semi only so usually only get through 100 BB's a game.
 
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