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Rant time - deliberate damage to someone elses RIF.

FreeFrag.UK said:
I don't think any of us look where we're placing every single step but this is where tactile feedback comes into the equation along with other forms of sensory input. The simple fact is that a gun will feel very different to earth underfoot. Especially when you can clearly hear the M14 creaking under the guys weight. I'm sorry but your line of argument for justification just doesn't follow on semblance of logic. If you don't think that stepping onto a gun would feel different to stepping onto uneven earth then you might want to test it by stepping onto your VSR for a similar feel to the give the M14 probably went through.

I understand what you're saying but the physics and sensations involved simply don't tally. That is unless you're either dead from the neck down or alternatively dead from the neck up.
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No you are right, a gun doesn't feel the same. But the guy is talking, so sound maybe mixed with the talking plus being in a forest, perhaps he thought he had stood on a branch? Whilst adrenaline is pumping around your body, your hearing will be slightly less, plus the fact that he is wearing a mask that will also cover up sound. If im in a forest, i hear a crack, id assume its a branch. 

Also, as stated above, this is a forum where opinions can be shared. Nobody can be 100% sure he did or didn't do this purposefully. So, as I said, this is my opinion, stop trying to change it. 

 
@Robert James - I'm simply trying to highlight various points of consideration in your assessment. You're entitled to your opinion and I've not made any claims to contradict your right to an opinion. The simple fact is that even with the various factors you have mentioned the sensation of stepping onto a gun, especially a rifle, will feel very different to stepping on anything else onsite. Further to this I'd like to reiterate my point concerning tactile feedback, the sensations transmitted by stepping onto the gun will feel dramatically different and the guy hardly seems to be in a hurry to step off it. In fact the chap in question was all too happy to place his other foot on it with little to no hesitation and in such a manner that he was perfectly stable on the gun. There's also a hell of a difference between the sounds produced by branches, roots and other naturally occurring materials when compared to the sounds the gun produces (there's a distinction between creaking through stress and the crack of twigs and branches).

I appreciate that you're trying to provide an alternative theory but as @Rogerborg rightly said, the odds just don't stack  up and yes, this  is merely public opinion which is by no means infallible.

This is merely a discussion and if points made sway your opinion then surely there is no harm in this, just as there would be no harm should your argument sway others. Opinions should be based on reasoning, logic and where possible facts. Admittedly in this situation we don't have the whole picture so it is a case of balancing the information available with known factors.

If you can't accept people voicing arguments and lines of reason which may challenge your opinion then it might be best to step away from the conversation. I realise this may sound a bit controversial but this is simply a discussion which has been respectful and without confrontation. Should a discussion descend to a point where it enters the realm of personal attacks, bear baiting or bullying tactics to challenge someone's opinion then it becomes an issue but up until then point it is just normal social discourse.

 
FreeFrag.UK said:
That is unless you're either dead from the neck down or alternatively dead from the neck up.
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FreeFrag.UK said:
@Robert James - I'm simply trying to highlight various points of consideration in your assessment. You're entitled to your opinion and I've not made any claims to contradict your right to an opinion. The simple fact is that even with the various factors you have mentioned the sensation of stepping onto a gun, especially a rifle, will feel very different to stepping on anything else onsite. Further to this I'd like to reiterate my point concerning tactile feedback, the sensations transmitted by stepping onto the gun will feel dramatically different and the guy hardly seems to be in a hurry to step off it. In fact the chap in question was all too happy to place his other foot on it with little to no hesitation and in such a manner that he was perfectly stable on the gun. There's also a hell of a difference between the sounds produced by branches, roots and other naturally occurring materials when compared to the sounds the gun produces (there's a distinction between creaking through stress and the crack of twigs and branches).

I appreciate that you're trying to provide an alternative theory but as @Rogerborg rightly said, the odds just don't stack  up and yes, this  is merely public opinion which is by no means infallible.

This is merely a discussion and if points made sway your opinion then surely there is no harm in this, just as there would be no harm should your argument sway others. Opinions should be based on reasoning, logic and where possible facts. Admittedly in this situation we don't have the whole picture so it is a case of balancing the information available with known factors.

If you can't accept people voicing arguments and lines of reason which may challenge your opinion then it might be best to step away from the conversation. I realise this may sound a bit controversial but this is simply a discussion which has been respectful and without confrontation. Should a discussion descend to a point where it enters the realm of personal attacks, bear baiting or bullying tactics to challenge someone's opinion then it becomes an issue but up until then point it is just normal social discourse.
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agree with what you're saying, in most parts. Ive got no issue with people saying they think I'm wrong etc, however your comment about dead from the neck down, whilst it probably wasn't directed at me, no need for it. Plus someone else asking if my comment was genuine earlier. I give a different opinion on something and get laughed at or being told it doesn't feel the same unless youre dead from the neck down, isn't the nicest, nor was it needed. But, I've said my opinion, now I see no reason to carry on commenting on this specific thread. 

Freefrag, if that's not what you were getting at (with the neck down comment), like I said perhaps it wasnt directed at me. Please accept my apologies, sometimes its hard to tell what someone/how someone is writing something without tone. 

 
@Robert James - My comment concerning being "dead from x" wasn't a personal attack. I resorted to an idiom, which I'm all too used to using, that was referring to the chap who saw fit to step on the M14, not yourself.

No apology is necessary, I appreciate that tone isn't always evident.

 
Chap has been named on other platforms, he's getting a lot of hate towards him. 

Deliberate or not it looks like he'll end up selling a cheap sniper rifle at this rate.

 
Yeah, just seen him named and shamed on Reddit.

I'm sure we won't, but please can we avoid outing him on here please. There's not even 100% proof the named chap is the guy in the video yet. 

 
L3wisD said:
Yeah, just seen him named and shamed on Reddit.

I'm sure we won't, but please can we avoid outing him on here please. There's not even 100% proof the named chap is the guy in the video yet. 
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Agreed, the court of public opinion doesnt exactly have the greatest track record of getting it right and the only thing worse than what this guy did is falsely lampooning some poor bugger for the crime.

The guy who did it deserves the banhammer but lets let the site do that after doing their due diligence.

 
Agreed, and I wish the site had been given some more time to handle it before it went public.

In the end, all that actually matters is that whoever it was is identified and given the heave-ho.

That can be done by site owners, it doesn't have to be a public witch hunt.

 
L3wisD said:
Yeah, just seen him named and shamed on Reddit.

I'm sure we won't, but please can we avoid outing him on here please. There's not even 100% proof the named chap is the guy in the video yet. 
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That Reddit post has now been taken down at Sim's request. The guys details have been passed to Dogtag and they're going to speak to him.

 
Kicking Mustang also shared this incident on IG stories.

At first he was all "burn the witch", now he's moved onto the "life isn't being fair to this dude, an airsoft ban would do, please bois don't go batshit crazy on him" line of thought.

 
Skara said:
Kicking Mustang also shared this incident on IG stories.

At first he was all "burn the witch", now he's moved onto the "life isn't being fair to this dude, an airsoft ban would do, please bois don't go batshit crazy on him" line of thought.
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Prob because it's a fellow bolt action wanker getting stick, I wonder if he'd be so mellow if he'd checked his own guncam footage & saw someone doing a Riverdance impression on his rifle ?

 
Tackle said:
Prob because it's a fellow bolt action wanker getting stick, I wonder if he'd be so mellow if he'd checked his own guncam footage & saw someone doing a Riverdance impression on his rifle ?
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He'd probably go back to commenting on how "toxic" the UK airsoft community is.

 
L3wisD said:
Yeah, just seen him named and shamed on Reddit.

I'm sure we won't, but please can we avoid outing him on here please. There's not even 100% proof the named chap is the guy in the video yet. 
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If you want confirmation PM me 

 
If I was capable I would edit this video to play with “tiptoe through the tulips” by tiny Tim just for my own amusement. 
but I can’t so I won’t .

tried to watch this from another view point to give the guy in the vid the benefit of being a f*ckwit, but I don’t see any reason for the Gillian taylforth level of quality for the justification of his behaviour, just looks intentional to me
 

 
The site had a talk with the guy, but no ban, because he sad it was not intentional.

 
Samurai said:
The site had a talk with the guy, but no ban, because he sad it was not intentional.
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 Usually means “He’s a mate/regular of the site so rules don’t apply”

 
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