Questionable politics and airsofters

My take is that the generic uniform (German WWII, EMR generic Russian, PLA, etc) is totally OK and sometimes even neat to see. Its a nice break from the horde of Multicam. More specialist kit - SS WWII for instance - may be in a bit of bad taste in a random weekend skirmish-type game. Reenacting specific groups/units (Wagner, SS, Unit 731 (yes, I've seen 731 patches worn by one guy before)) should absolutely not come into play at all outside of maybe *very specific* events. Is it a WWII event? Then maybe. Are we specifically at a NATO vs WARSAW? Then maybe. But I also find people to hate on others simply because of the base uniform they're wearing to be very poor taste as well. I have a bit of a habit of collecting different camo patterns and kits. Of the "bad guy" kits I have I can do a pretty decent SA guerrilla, ME insurgent, Soviet, 90s, and 2010s Russian kits, 2021 PLA, Mexican cartel, and I can probably mix and match different pieces to match a few other seen "bad guy" guerrilla forces should the desire arise. Now I admittedly dont wear most of them out unless its for a themed MilSim (where the insurgent and cartel kits came from), and ive only worn the PLA kit once since its pretty new, but I find the idea of specifically "hunting" people who are dressing up (purely dressing up - if theyre spouting off antisemitic lines or whatever then treat them like the dicks they are) in something other than the local flavor of tree to be a dick move as well.

 
Whilst I dont care what patches someone wears, again I'd apply good taste and considering what's going on right now, having Zs on your shoulders or brain bucket is probably not the cleverest thing to do is it.

As for spreading as the title puts it "questionable politics", I.e. the complete and utter spanner referenced in @Rogerborg's post above, I think we'd all agree that we want none of that shit anywhere near Airsoft.

Eezer G

 
We did have to have a chat with a lad that turned up to play in a Celtic Football Club tracksuit once.

Thats about as daft as you can get ?

 
I was brought up on his humour.

Met him once when he was filming a scene for a film he was doing in the late 90’s

”The Debt Collector”

He was in character, and was incredibly intimidating at the time, then after I got a chat with him for a few seconds. A naturally funny man, with incredible charisma!

He was told by one of my Gaffers that he couldn’t smoke his cigar in the building, so he chucked it out the door to the car park, as soon as the coast was clear I rescued it and gave it to my dad, who then whittled a little stand for it and put it on display in his living room cabinet ? 

My dad is a massive fan of Billy’s

Anyway, sorry to threadjack

Im away back to scouring the classifieds 

 
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I distinctly wear patches which convey my own personal political reservations. I don’t understand how anyone can wear politically motivated patches or historical ones without any idea of the connotations.

One of the ones which offends me badly is when people wear Keffiyehs and run around with AKs when they couldn’t even possibly relate to meaning of some of the patterns they’re wearing.

They’re the kind of people who’d wear a Palestinian keffiyeh and not understand the message they’re sending regardless of where they stand on the matter.

I also can’t stand any offensive Arabic patches which say things like Kafir/Infidel that shit really pisses me off because it’s normally young white CoD playing teenagers with absolutely no idea of the symbolism and struggles associated with the cause they’re imitating.

All my patches are clear obvious bright left-wing patches ranging from “Anti-Capitalist Socialist Club” to a Progressive Pride Flag patch.

I consciously make an effort to defy and offer some sort of counter to people who wear offensive patches and are harbouring questionable views.

But ultimately if you want to wear a Gorka and rock an AK-12 I personally don’t have an issue with it until you go slapping modern Russian military symbolism on it. Much like how someone’s not going to pull up your Mauser unless you engrave a swastika into the handle or something.

 
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One of the ones which offends me badly is when people wear Keffiyehs and run around with AKs when they couldn’t even possibly relate to meaning of some of the patterns they’re wearing.

They’re the kind of people who’d wear a Palestinian keffiyeh and not understand the message they’re sending regardless of where they stand on the matter.
You see there are levels of ignorance which I think you have to make some allowance for.   I am one of the ignorant.  I have never heard of a Keffiyeh. I had no idea whatsoever that the patterns had any symbolism behind them, I just thought they were purely decorative (or in the case of more militaristic ones, sort-of camo)    I've been educated today (thank you), but if someone sees a shemagh / Keffiyeh for sale and buys it because they like the pattern... well I certainly couldn't hold them to account for it, because it's something (to borrow a much-mocked phrase) that's "an unknown unknown" to both them and me.

Back to the main topic, I've got some personal experience in the Z patch thing. I'm not sure how to, or even whether I should share, but as I'm typing I feel I might as well keep going, see what you guys think...

There's a young chap who goes regularly to Spec Ops who has worn a Z patch on several occasions.  The first time I saw it my blood boiled.  I naturally assumed he was just being a twat, or utterly ignorant.  My initial desire was to run up to him, rip it off his arm, verbally abuse him for , and generally put either, or both, of us at risk of getting thrown off the site.  
Instead I decided to mentally count to 10, and approach it with an opening gambit of "that's a bold thing to wear that today, I can't say I like it".
He explained he's Russian, his family back in Russia support the war (presumably brainwashed by Putin etc), and his uncle is actually fighting.  He made a comment about the BBC as 'Main Stream Media', fake news about the Russians etc, from which I reached the conclusion that he's in a Pro-Putin environment where they're all soaking up the propaganda.  And as he's got at least one family member in the army, it'd be pretty difficult for him to go against that without alienating himself from his close relatives.

I kind of put him on my "RL ignore list", but as it turned out he's a nice guy, plays airsoft the right way, didn't push the Z agenda at anyone (though I think he'd defend it when questioned, as he did to me).  He became too friendly to ignore, and I've turned a blind eye to his patch, and not talked politics since.   He greets me by name, gave me a slice of birthday cake (which some others had turned down - not sure if they were ostracizing him for the patch, worried the cake would have Novichok in it, or just concerned their waist-line would end up like mine... but turning down cake is not something I can do easily). 

I really don't know if I've dropped my moral compass by not forcefully pointing out that the error of his ways, or being the good person who sees past flaws and make allowance for circumstances.
The only thing I can say for sure is I was mightily pleased when he turned up to the last skirmish without the patch, indeed he was wearing British gear I think.   Maybe Carlos had had a word with him.  

So yeah.  Slava Ukraini

 
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I think @RostokMcSpoons ‘s response summed up my feelings pretty nicely.

I would be in the ignorant camp for most of these things. Do I know what a Swastika is and why not to wear it? Yeah. Do I know what patterns on shemaghs or keffiyehs mean what? Heck no.

Young players are stupid, not always malicious. We’ll change more of their behavior by being friends than we will by alienating/being hostile.

 
I think @RostokMcSpoons ‘s response summed up my feelings pretty nicely.

I would be in the ignorant camp for most of these things. Do I know what a Swastika is and why not to wear it? Yeah. Do I know what patterns on shemaghs or keffiyehs mean what? Heck no.

Young players are stupid, not always malicious. We’ll change more of their behavior by being friends than we will by alienating/being hostile.
100%, to be clear. I’m not going around starting fights with everyone lmao.

 I’m just saying, I make as conscious an effort as the specifically malicious players in counter to their views.

I understand a lot of it is ignorance and that’s acceptable to a degree, it’s those who are deliberate edge lords or stand by it in the face of confrontation I’m less friendly with…

But as @RostokMcSpoonssaid, it’s a small world and I am not in the business of getting kicked off sites so I keep quiet most the time.

I was merely giving a granted very specific example, I remember a time when people having “terrorist” kits wearing traditional Afghan dress was somewhat normal and apparently acceptable so it was the first example that popped into head.

BlueFor always used to have those offensive infidel patches, and OpFor always dressed super offensive and didn’t understand the cause they were impersonating.

 
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it’s those who are deliberate edge lords or stand by it in the face of confrontation I’m less friendly with…
The thing is by doing that you're giving them the attention they want. 

Thinking about it I'd rather not see any political patches, whether they're to the left or the right, as I'm on site to shoot plastic at people not debate which form of government is best. Treat your political views like you treat your dick. They're both ok to have, they're ok to be proud of but what's not ok is forcing it down someone's throat.

As for finding something offensive, at the end of the day we all have a different place where we draw the line (I know I've got a dark sense of humour but there's certain things which piss me off). If you're going to start screaming at someone over something you don't like and demanding they remove it then IMO you look just as silly as them

 
Absolute rule by the living corpse of a soul-consuming God-Emperor sat upon a golden throne. No debate needed, or indeed permitted.
Well they couldn't be any worse than what we've got to choose between 

Tbh unlike Captain America I'm not getting that reference. To me that looks like the lovechild of the Iron Maiden mascot Eddie and Riff Raff from the Rocky Horror Picture Show 

 
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