Mos' TM VSR upgrade logs

[djben9]

proud father....at leaast it wont talk back or stomp its feet!!

Tudders end of month??

 

[Mos]

proud father....at leaast it wont talk back or stomp its feet!!

Tudders end of month??

Haha, I guess I'm lucky.

Tudders, probably, it mainly comes down to of my brother can take me. He drives down and plays airsoft too.

I think he will want to play. And it'll be the first day out for the sniper hopefully we can do seem sort of small meet up ahah I'll be there little 13 yo haha

 

[Mos]

UPDATE LOG 'whatever log we are at now':

0.4g BBs arrived, biro mod complete, simply putting the ink tube from a biro pen into where the two prongs of the hop arm are. This is so when the arm goes down, more contact is with the BB, meaning you should hopefully get more backspin. Though I imagine if the bit of plastic is at a slant, it will give uneven pressure to BB, this veering off one direction. (Be careful, take your time)

So, I have now got the gun with the FPS sorted out. And the ability to lift 0.4g BBs.

Got the power. Want the accuracy.

So, automatically, we can use 0.4G BBs to give us so much more accuracy than your 0.2g BBs.

So ACCURACY:

from what I know.

0.4G. BBs will definitely help

And maybe a hop unit, but the hop unit shell type thing is surely just the housing of parts inside the shell. So the arm etc.

I might actually need a new bucking, as the limit at tudders is 500. Though the limit at ravens is only 400, which is a problem itself, but less of a problem and more of a hassle.

Barrels cost a lot, and I think I can gain more results with other methods such as heavier BBs and hop units.

So what do I need for accuracy? Or what parts do I need to change/swap out for more accuracy? I have a rough idea.

If I were to play at ravens with 400 FPS limit with 0.2g BBs.

RAVENS:

I will use 0.4G BBs

Muzzle energy of about 1.49

And no other mods or parts as of yet

TUDDENHAM (500 FPS sniper limit):

0.4G BBs

Muzzle energy of 2.3

What will be the difference of the extra energy.

I guess I will get more range?

Thanks

 

[proffrink]

Decent bucking and a good barrel; the stock TM barrel is probably fine, but one of the Firefly or Maple Leaf (probably the 65o or 70o) buckings might be a good idea with the relevant nub. I'd suggest polishing it (the barrel) but that's a bit of effort.

And no, you won't get the same performance in a sniper rifle from not upgrading the barrel but you'll probably get really close. Especially with a TM one which is not too shabby out of the box.

Make sure the air seal is good around your bucking and barrel to minimise inconsistent pressure. Use PTFE tape.

Time for you to do some searching though. This is, after all, a VSR - there're thousands of threads out there on how to squeeze accuracy from it already. Try the sniper forums to start with.

 

[Mos]

Decent bucking and a good barrel; the stock TM barrel is probably fine, but one of the Firefly or Maple Leaf (probably the 65o or 70o) buckings might be a good idea with the relevant nub. I'd suggest polishing it but that's a bit of effort.

And no, you won't get the same performance in a sniper rifle from not upgrading the barrel but you'll probably get really close. Especially with a TM one which is not too shabby out of the box.

Make sure the air seal is good around your hop unit to minimise inconsistent pressure. Use PTFE tape.

Time for you to do some searching though. This is, after all, a VSR - there're thousands of threads out there on how to squeeze accuracy from it already. Try the sniper forums to start with.

Sweet. So with a bucking, one of these firefly or maple, this means the biro mod is going to be abolished? You knew how hard I found that lol

Don't buckings need a specific hop arm?? Type a and b? Somewhere I read that.

Thanks prof, I did post a pic of how I setup the regulator on the gun, seems to be removed, oh well.

 

[proffrink]

No, the Brio mod- OH GOD WHY IS IT THE BIRO MOD AGAIN

...is just to add a bit more material where the nub would usually be and give you a little more pressure down on the hop rubber. It'd still work a little magic on an aftermarket bucking, but some do require special nubs and the like if you want to get everything from them. Please look this up on the Airsoft Sniper Forums. I'm never going to be able to explain all the possible combinations to you and nor have I tried even close to 10% of them myself.

Dangerwerx b and a hop arms are just flat and then 'pronged'/'forked' respectively. There's a lot out there on these, but basically the biro mod makes your current arm a type b. Without it it's a type a. You may want to look into TDC if you're super serious about getting that bucking just right. You may also want to look into R-hopping and extending the hop window. These are all things you should look at. R-hopping works for me, but there are numerous ways of getting good performance out of a sniper rifle and the chances are you'll get it wrong the first three times you field it anyway. It's all part of the fun.

I can see your pic of the regulator outside of the stock; you should really get a Flyye pouch though. I might sell you mine kinda cheap as I need one in a different colour. Never been skirmished

 

[PT247]

I do not get why you struggle to understand what the biro mod does.... it is not magic.... all it does is save you £20 by not needing to by a Dangerworx type B hop arm. Ok biro mod convo is now finished.

Next up, fit new bucking and to ensure airseal, wrap barrel grove with a couple of layers of PTFE tape, add bucking then add a couple of layers of PTFE ta around that and the barrel. Sorted. NEXT?

 

[proffrink]

Sorted. NEXT?

I'm going to wager not, heh.

 

[Mos]

No, the Brio mod- OH GOD WHY IS IT THE BIRO MOD AGAIN

...is just to add a bit more material where the nub would usually be and give you a little more pressure down on the hop rubber. It'd still work a little magic on an aftermarket bucking, but some do require special nubs and the like if you want to get everything from them. Please look this up on the Airsoft Sniper Forums. I'm never going to be able to explain all the possible combinations to you and nor have I tried even close to 10% of them myself.

Dangerwerx b and a hop arms are just flat and then 'pronged'/'forked' respectively. There's a lot out there on these, but basically the biro mod makes your current arm a type b. Without it it's a type a. You may want to look into TDC if you're super serious about getting that bucking just right. You may also want to look into R-hopping and extending the hop window. These are all things you should look at. R-hopping works for me, but there are numerous ways of getting good performance out of a sniper rifle and the chances are you'll get it wrong the first three times you field it anyway. It's all part of the fun.

I can see your pic of the regulator outside of the stock; you should really get a Flyye pouch though. I might sell you mine kinda cheap as I need one in a different colour. Never been skirmished

Understood. I got you now. It's a cheap mod for turning your type a arm to type B *clinches hoping I didn't get it wrong*

I suppose buckings are cheap, and you just mix and match. I may be interested in a pouch. Even if I don't need it, i

L certainly help you out, and have it. For extra coolness.

Thanks

 

[Mos]

I do not get why you struggle to understand what the biro mod does.... it is not magic.... all it does is save you £20 by not needing to by a Dangerworx type B hop arm. Ok biro mod convo is now finished.

Next up, fit new bucking and to ensure airseal, wrap barrel grove with a couple of layers of PTFE tape, add bucking then add a couple of layers of PTFE ta around that and the barrel. Sorted. NEXT?

Next upgrade will be a bucking. I will post which one after I've had a ramble around the web.

Thanks

 

[PT247]

to be fair, when I first got my VSR I was so scared of doing it wrong.... but actually the learning was the most fun and experimenting with homemade mods was very satisfying. Get stuck in dude, enjoy the build and finish with a VSR that shoots as straight as a laser!

 

[Mos]

http://www.evike.com/products/43059

&

https://airlab.parts/products/prometheus-purple-bucking

Heard good for both. Also heard that there is a nineball bucking, but it's practically extinct.

Prommy comes with nub, which is not needed hurhurhur

Although heard people saying that one of the buckings is no good until you flatten the nub. Think that was for a firefly one though.

Ops on any of these two. If they're as good eachother, would rather go for the prommy, as is English seller.

These would both work In my setups. From 400 FPS to 500 I think. Although the prommy is a soft, someone did say it would cope under 550 FPS

Funny thing is, people say the TM stock bucking is the best. well, and many people have said it. Baring in mind I have the TM bucking. I shouldn't see a point. In going for anything else

 

[PT247]

Standard hop the Nineball is awesome. Mine tore when fiting the action army hop so now have the tm bucking fitted which was never shabby even at 300fps out the box.

 

[Mos]

Had a look on ASPUK, fairly knowledgable chaps, and they say the TM stock bucking should be kept and used. And they recommend that.

So maybe a new barrel, though I've probably caused enough trouble/rage/keyboard slamming for today.

BUT

Was thinking 6.05, as is more consistent at longer distances for accuracy

But with a 400 FPS limit at one of the sites, I'd lose FPS, and as FPS is low with snipers there, I think I'd lose too much making it lower than it actually is

Though, 6.05 bore would be SUPREME at tuddenham, as 500 FPS limit.

enough

 

[PT247]

I have a Laylax 6.03 303mm barrel and a PDI 6.05 303mm barrel, both are ace, I fitted the PDI basically to drop fps as when I fitted the Action Army hop my fps went up so thought a wider barrel would drop it below 500 fps but it didn't drop it far enough so ended up chopping the spring a little. Both are quality barrels.

 

[Mos]

Yes. Mhm, it's quite hard as the two skirmish sites have massive differences in FPS limits. And ideally, I'd buy two barrels, but hell, I'm not doing that lol.

Because, for tudders, I'd want a 6.05 yet ravens I probably do not want 6.05 as as will drop my FPS even more, not that it's being dropped, but the limit is 400 at ravens, and don't want to go down more.

 

[PT247]

could always buy a WBB for the lower limit site

 

[Mos]

could always buy a WBB for the lower limit site

WBB meaning wide bore barrel?
Surely I'll lose even more FPS

methinks

I'll go for a 6.03 so I won't lose as much FPS. And pick a high quality brand.

Word is, brand is more meaningful.

Hadn't done my research. It is said that the WBB give more accuracy and range as performance from the BB isn't lost with friction from the walls of the inner barrel.

So in Tbb the bb can get friction with the walls of the inner barrel. Reducing accuracy and range.

Though WBB being wider means no friction. And apparently results have been such as under 1 joule people have been getting 65 metres with decent accuracy

 

[PT247]

set ya gun up for 500fps with a Laylax 6.03mm barrel, then get a 6.2+ mm WBB to drop the fps when needing lower. Although..... you have an SDIK kit fitted so surely you can just drop the psi to a lower level?

 

[Mos]

set ya gun up for 500fps with a Laylax 6.03mm barrel, then get a 6.2+ mm WBB to drop the fps when needing lower. Although..... you have an SDIK kit fitted so surely you can just drop the psi to a lower level?

Yes, I can just change the PSI to whatever I desire.

But again, that is two barrels.

I'll probably go with a 6.03, as in my eyes that seems to be the majority, not 6.03 but, my opinion and most people going for TBB THAN WBB, then maybe go for a WBB when have some more cash.