Another newbie... haha!

[gavinkempsell]

I'm thinking I'll go for a MC51

I get 1.08j 349.9fps from mine but I've never used it in game so don't know what the range would be.

 

[Portela_999]

Lots and lots of tips.. thank you very much guys! 

One question... when you say not to buy two toned guns is just because of the colours or there is something else?

I shall start looking at High Wycombe Skirmishes then with Cobham, UCAP and Bunker 51 as other options too. Good to know all that!

And so far we have

hat

eye pro

something to cover the mouth

gloves

rifle with extra mags and potentially a scope

charger and bb's

f... me hahahaha

 

[Portela_999]

I am right over the other side of London, almost in Kent.

Ambush Airsoft in Cobham is still open.

Before buying your first rifle, play your three games at the same site in not less than 56 days and get your UKARA registration, so that you don't have to buy a two toned gun.  Try to get your hands on as many guns as you can to see what suits you and what you like; as others have said, most airsofters are more than happy to bore you to death with information about their guns.

If you want to make a safe first purchase, the Specna and Double Eagle M4 style guns are decent.

do you go to bunker 51 or do you use any other option? I will be ok to go there and maybe even drag my brother into it ?

 

[Rogerborg]

when you say not to buy two toned guns is just because of the colours or there is something else?

Just that you'll probably regret it a bit at the point where you do a dodgy paintjob, or try to sell it on and find that there's a limited market for them.

There's nothing inherently wrong with buying a two-tone if you really don't want to wait. I did it, and many other people have. It's a fixable situation.

rifle with extra mags and potentially a scope

And a scope protector.  Glass acts like a magnet for plastic BBs.

charger

And batteries. Typically 7.4V lipo unless you've got a specific reason to get something else, and I like to run a pair of them in the 1200-1400 mAh range (at least) and change over at lunch.

Cheap chargers are a false economy. They are, no joke, fire hazards.  Something like a SkyRC S65 is the typical recommendation.

 

[Portela_999]

Just that you'll probably regret it a bit at the point where you do a dodgy paintjob, or try to sell it on and find that there's a limited market for them.

There's nothing inherently wrong with buying a two-tone if you really don't want to wait. I did it, and many other people have. It's a fixable situation.

And a scope protector.  Glass acts like a magnet for plastic BBs.

And batteries. Typically 7.4V lipo unless you've got a specific reason to get something else, and I like to run a pair of them in the 1200-1400 mAh range (at least) and change over at lunch.

Cheap chargers are a false economy. They are, no joke, fire hazards.  Something like a SkyRC S65 is the typical recommendation.

Ah, cool... I might go for a two tone in the beginning and if I think I need to paint then I know who/where to go to do it for me... but if I feel I need to disguise it I can always try to do a ghillie suit for the gun hahahaha

 

[Portela_999]

Another question... I'm looking to get a M4 with extra mags and also looking to get BB pellets but there are different grams of them... any magazine will do any weight?

 

[Dan Robinson]

Yes - the weight is more down to the hop in the gun and the environment you're pewing in....  outdoors you want a .25 or .28 really otherwise leaves become a deflector screen, and Bush wookies might not feel the impacts.

If you're indoors, then I see no need to use anything more than .2s.

With increased weight comes increased cost too.

There's a thread with a spreadsheet somewhere on the forum with links and prices - I'll see if I can find it.

Here we are:

 

[Cannonfodder]

The only difference between a 2 tone and a regular airsoft gun is the colour. To over simplify it if you're not an airsofter you can't buy a regular coloured gun (there are other defences, but for the purposes of this thread I'm ignoring them for now).

One big problem with painting a two tone is that with use it will take knocks and the paint will start to chip allowing the bright coloured paint to show.

For bb weight,  outdoors you really want the heavier bbs (.28g or upwards) as they hold their 3nergy for longer and so give better range. For years I used .25g, but one day I used .3s as I had them laying around and wanted to get rid of them and the increase in range was significant. If your playing cqb heavier ammo isn't necessary and many cqb sites have limits on the weight you can use

 

[Portela_999]

You guys are fantastic in this forum! Thank you all!

I was thinking about https://www.onlybbguns.co.uk/huntsman-m4-cqbr-polymer-body-full-metal-gearbox-inc-bat-and-charger-h060b to start with a scope... Should be enough for the start, no?

And yeah I will book one with rental equipment first to try out

 

[GenuineGerman]

You guys are fantastic in this forum! Thank you all!

I was thinking about https://www.onlybbguns.co.uk/huntsman-m4-cqbr-polymer-body-full-metal-gearbox-inc-bat-and-charger-h060b to start with a scope... Should be enough for the start, no?

And yeah I will book one with rental equipment first to try out

Probably the worst person to answer this as I spend ridiculous money on rifs. Maybe a specna arms m4 for another 20-30 quid might be better? 

 

[Dan Robinson]

You guys are fantastic in this forum! Thank you all!

I was thinking about https://www.onlybbguns.co.uk/huntsman-m4-cqbr-polymer-body-full-metal-gearbox-inc-bat-and-charger-h060b to start with a scope... Should be enough for the start, no?

And yeah I will book one with rental equipment first to try out

I agree with @GenuineGerman, spend a few sheckles more and get the Specna.  Those included chargers are only worth using a few times until a better one arrives.  I would seriously hold off buying anything until you have had a few game days - even if only to give you time to get a list of bits that will last you and you've had a chance to try a few other player's guns.  You might decide you prefer an MP5 instead of an M4.  A proper charger is a must, and eventually you'll be changing battery connectors to better ones.  Spend wisely.

Ask nicely at chrono/the site's range and people will let you have a few rounds down course.  A lot of us will let you have a game with a back up gun or one of our less expensive babies....  I let a lad have a couple of magazines and a pistol last time out because I could see he was envious on us running around popping caps in people's asses, and he was a rental on his first time out.

Two-tone can be undone, but it does reduce the resale value of the pew.  Those few weeks waiting for UKARA will fly by and you'll be in a better position as a result with better targeted purchases.

 

[Portela_999]

Probably the worst person to answer this as I spend ridiculous money on rifs. Maybe a specna arms m4 for another 20-30 quid might be better? 

Yeah, shouldnt be a problem... I shall take a look at the discussion about equipment and etc...

A very noobie question... why there is such a difference in price? What makes the difference so the price goes up? (apart from brand)

 

[gavinkempsell]

I bought a few 2 tones before my UKARA but did so knowing they'd be painted at some stage & only used as a wall hanger long term. I have about 3 REALLY cheap pews that I regret buying so I agree with most of the comments above & try to play/hire different types of site pews, you won't know what style of player you are or what type of pew you like to field until you've played several games, so if you get a chance to borrow for a game take it with lots of thanks. I first used a polymer 2 tone Scar-l which I quickly learnt I loved to use & will usually take it to skirmish regardless which other pews I take on the day.

 

[Dan Robinson]

why there is such a difference in price? What makes the difference so the price goes up? (apart from brand)

Different motors

Better quality gearboxes

Better (or no) QC

Better barrels

Higher grade polymers...

The list is endless and can also be meaningless.  One of my best guns is the cheapest...  But then collections get silly (look at @gavinkempsellfor example).  This is my gunwall:

And that is not including pistols and the boy's RIFs, and we've only been doing this two and a half years.  Browsing the classifieds here is lethal I can tell you.

 

[gavinkempsell]

A very noobie question... why there is such a difference in price? What makes the difference so the price goes up? (apart from brand)

Brand, materials used, quality of parts etc etc etc... if you find a pew you really really want, google the exact model and compare prices, some sellers have higher profit margins which is better in your pocket or used for extra mags or kewl stuff like mtp bandana's.

Browsing the classifieds here is lethal I can tell you

you said it brotha...

 

[Portela_999]

how often do you guys play? do you guys have like a team that is always playing together or you just turn up and that's it?

 

[gavinkempsell]

Different motors

Better quality gearboxes

Better (or no) QC

Better barrels

Higher grade polymers...

The list is endless and can also be meaningless.  One of my best guns is the cheapest...  But then collections get silly (look at @gavinkempsellfor example).  This is my gunwall:



And that is not including pistols and the boy's RIFs, and we've only been doing this two and a half years.  Browsing the classifieds here is lethal I can tell you.

Dan, please don't make me send you a bipod foregrip for that A3... I'm already getting chased to post out some scotch pies to Shamal

 

[GenuineGerman]

Yeah, shouldnt be a problem... I shall take a look at the discussion about equipment and etc...

A very noobie question... why there is such a difference in price? What makes the difference so the price goes up? (apart from brand)

Anything and everything. Gearbox’s for aegs, mosfets, externals ie polymer or a metal, trade marks etc etc them you may want lots of different types of rifs some are rarer than other. You could prefer gbb. 
 

Thing is it’s a wallet issue, a personal preference issue and performance issue. The more you spend the better you would expect to get in terms of quality but that’s not always the case. 
 

As @gavinkempsell and @Dan Robinson have said. Start a decent cheap brand when you decide you want to upgrade it makes a decent spare for you or a mate. 
 

And if in doubt ask most here will help steer you in the right direction with good rifs and what to absolutely avoid. 
 

 

[gavinkempsell]

how often do you guys play? do you guys have like a team that is always playing together or you just turn up and that's it?

I'm an anti-social git so team work gets as far as shooting in the same general direction as everyone else in my team.

 

[Cannonfodder]

I've no experience with that brand so I can't say for sure but it looks to me like a rebranded cheap chinese gun, possibly a cyma. If so then the internal parts are great but the plastic bodies are cheap and break easily.

A proper charger is a must,

This. The chargers that come with guns are crap, so much that many shops warranties won't cover them

A very noobie question... why there is such a difference in price? What makes the difference so the price goes up? (apart from brand)

As others have posted it's often to the materials used and quality control. Also some shop owners are simply greedy and like to hike their prices, only to lower them again to give the impression you're getting a bargain

how often do you guys play? do you guys have like a team that is always playing together or you just turn up and that's it?

Personally I try to get a game in once a month as long as life doesn't get in the way. Don't worry about turning up on your own as on the whole airsofters are a friendly and welcoming bunch. You'll soon find someone to tag along with who'll show you the ropes