Airsoft Argument

[clumpyedge]

Rift - pasted above. Obviously you don’t start punching and kicking people, I take full contact as an opportunity to have just have fun with people at close range. Giggity ?

Interesting, I wonder where the line is drawn on that.

 

[AshOnSnow]

Interesting, I wonder where the line is drawn on that.

IMO my line is this: the minute one of you stops having fun, the other one as crossed that line. If you get close enough to someone you can disarm them safely and “kill” them, fun. Close enough to start playing out melee scenes from movies, fun. Hurting someone to score a hit, douchebag.

 

[clumpyedge]

IMO my line is this: the minute one of you stops having fun, the other one as crossed that line. If you get close enough to someone you can disarm them safely and “kill” them, fun. Close enough to start playing out melee scenes from movies, fun. Hurting someone to score a hit, douchebag.

Thats a fair comment, Playing devils advocate though is other peoples perception of said line would differ massively. Who can define another players level of comfort/fun, obviously playing a sport like this you should have a fair level of excepting discomfort to an extent but I have seen my share of people who would probably wince at even a game of tag (which makes me wonder why they chose to play airsoft in the first place)

 

[L3wisD]

I would not be ok with someone trying to take one of my weapons from me.

I'm poor as hell, I can't afford to replace stuff due to clumsy Operator wannabes. 

If some bumblenut tried to take a pistol from my holster for example and it fell on the floor and broke or got damaged I'd be fucking fuming.

Or, what if they tried to grab the gun by the red dot and damaged it? 

Or pull on the tracer unit and fuck the threads inside?

 

[clumpyedge]

I would not be ok with someone trying to take one of my weapons from me.

I'm poor as hell, I can't afford to replace stuff due to clumsy Operator wannabes. 

If some bumblenut tried to take a pistol from my holster for example and it fell on the floor and broke or got damaged I'd be fucking fuming.

Or, what if they tried to grab the gun by the red dot and damaged it? 

Or pull on the tracer unit and fuck the threads inside?

These were my thoughts, if someone "accidentally" broke something of mine due to them disarming me can I then invoice them to replace/fix after all that would be the gentlemanly thing to do if you broke someones equipment. Likewise where would I stand if someone was a bit heavy handed and I didn't like the way they did it but they refused to apologize etc because its "a full contact sport" in those defined rules, where do you draw the line on contact and assault when everyone's perception is different to what would be considered fair game?

 

[Wo1f]

I would not be ok with someone trying to take one of my weapons from me.

I'm poor as hell, I can't afford to replace stuff due to clumsy Operator wannabes. 

If some bumblenut tried to take a pistol from my holster for example and it fell on the floor and broke or got damaged I'd be fucking fuming.

Or, what if they tried to grab the gun by the red dot and damaged it? 

Or pull on the tracer unit and fuck the threads inside?

I’m with you.. cold, dead hands spring to mind. 

 

[AshOnSnow]

These were my thoughts, if someone "accidentally" broke something of mine due to them disarming me can I then invoice them to replace/fix after all that would be the gentlemanly thing to do if you broke someones equipment. Likewise where would I stand if someone was a bit heavy handed and I didn't like the way they did it but they refused to apologize etc because its "a full contact sport" in those defined rules, where do you draw the line on contact and assault when everyone's perception is different to what would be considered fair game?

If I accidentally broke something, I’d obviously pay to replace it if it wasn’t insured, if it was I’d cover any excess. Again, all falls down to being sensible - if you choose to disarm someone with loads of expensive accessories and a PTW, have the bank to pay for it if you break it.

 

[clumpyedge]

If I accidentally broke something, I’d obviously pay to replace it if it wasn’t insured, if it was I’d cover any excess. Again, all falls down to being sensible - if you choose to disarm someone with loads of expensive accessories and a PTW, have the bank to pay for it if you break it.

I like the fact you have that kind of ethos but unfortunately some people don't.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

I like the fact you have that kind of ethos but unfortunately some people don't.

this is true, hence why i only lend guns to folks i know won't break them, well, at least that they won't return with a broken gun that wouldn't have broken if i'd been fielding it.....

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Nope still calling bullshit

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[AshOnSnow]

I like the fact you have that kind of ethos but unfortunately some people don't.

Well the ones that don’t should not try and do fancy stuff disarming people, because when you make a choice to do something like that, you have to take responsibility for that choice.

 

[AndyDynamic]

I would've taken the shot.

Bang or no-bang rules, if I was mega close to someone, like 1-2 metres, then I would use the bang call simply because I wouldn't enjoy being hit that close either. (this is non-cqb) Whether or not they choose to accept it is another matter.

At a pistol game I was in the middle of a reload when an enemy stepped round the corner into the same room as me, he didn't know I was in there - I had no mag in the pistol and just accepted it as a hit. No pain, had a chuckle about him catching me on the reload.

 

[Rogerborg]

Obviously you don’t start punching and kicking people

But we've just established that airsoft is a FULL CONTACT SPORT (in shouty red even).  Wikipedia says:

Full-contact


A (full) contact sport is any sport for which significant physical impact force on players, either deliberate or incidental, is allowed or within the rules of the game.

Contact actions include tackling, blocking and a whole range of other moves that can differ substantially in their rules and degree of application.

Examples of contact sports are roller derby, lacrosse, rugby league, rugby union, American football, water polo, kabaddi, hurling, handball, Australian rules football, ice hockey and wheelchair rugby.

Full-contact martial arts include wrestling, Sanshou, sumo, boxing, mixed martial arts, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, Muay Thai, judo, various forms of full contact karate, and some forms of Taekwondo.

Main article: combat sport

It's a pet peeve, but I do wish that airsoft sites, and most recreation sites or organisations in general, would stop writing ambiguous and/or meaningless clauses into their acknowledgement of risk forms.  Least said, least misinterpreted.

 

[Druid799]

Thats a fair comment, Playing devils advocate though is other peoples perception of said line would differ massively. Who can define another players level of comfort/fun, obviously playing a sport like this you should have a fair level of excepting discomfort to an extent but I have seen my share of people who would probably wince at even a game of tag (which makes me wonder why they chose to play airsoft in the first place)

Totally agree with you on this one mate , really wide open for interpretation. Take the forces or a rugby club or a fair few other sport for instance (not football though there far to delicate ?) what’s considered harmless fun there would send most ‘normal’ people running for a phone screaming assault !

Really as much as I’d like to say this’ll be ok by me (and with most players it would be) we all know your going to get some thug or an ‘operator’ types bouncing some spindly little 12yr old with a puke green gun that’s nearly as big as he is that his mum bought him from ‘BBgunzisbest’ “cos that’s how a real tier1 would do it !” and next thing you know you’ve got irate parents kicking off !  ?‍

 

[clumpyedge]

Totally agree with you on this one mate , really wide open for interpretation. Take the forces or a rugby club or a fair few other sport for instance (not football though there far to delicate ?) what’s considered harmless fun there would send most ‘normal’ people running for a phone screaming assault !

Really as much as I’d like to say this’ll be ok by me (and with most players it would be) we all know your going to get some thug or an ‘operator’ types bouncing some spindly little 12yr old with a puke green gun that’s nearly as big as he is that his mum bought him from ‘BBgunzisbest’ “cos that’s how a real tier1 would do it !” and next thing you know you’ve got irate parents kicking off !  ?‍

And that is what saddens me, Airsoft could be so much more but the fact is that even with other hobbies you'll always get a small minority that seem to take things too far.

 

[Druid799]

And that is what saddens me, Airsoft could be so much more but the fact is that even with other hobbies you'll always get a small minority that seem to take things too far.

Yup unfortunately you do have to run your gameday to the level of the lowest denominator .

 

[AshOnSnow]

Anyway, back to the OP, that was my argument. Seems to be split opinion on who was in the right, if any, but leaning towards person 2. Any guesses on which person I was?

 

[Robert James]

Anyway, back to the OP, that was my argument. Seems to be split opinion on who was in the right, if any, but leaning towards person 2. Any guesses on which person I was?

I think 2 was right, but I think youre player 1.

 

[Hales84]

Anyway, back to the OP, that was my argument. Seems to be split opinion on who was in the right, if any, but leaning towards person 2. Any guesses on which person I was?

I'm guessing by the way you've worded it you're player 2

 

[Sacarathe]

Anyway, back to the OP, that was my argument. Seems to be split opinion on who was in the right, if any, but leaning towards person 2. Any guesses on which person I was?

I just assumed you were player 1. Tbh I didn't notice that you'd written both perspectives in first person. Given what I know of you, I still think you're player 1.

If a player tried to take any of my kit from me I would object in the strongest terms. I do not consider airsoft full contact. In airsoft there is no reason to ever touch another player (a tap on the shoulder for a knife kill is my only exception).

That being said, I have a disability so maybe my perspective is different, I carry 4/5 of my weight one leg and am very easy to unbalance if someone was [intentionally, albeit perhaps benevolently] interfering with my personage.

But we've just established that airsoft is a FULL CONTACT SPORT (in shouty red even).  Wikipedia says:

Given what's written on that page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_sport There's no way I would come to the same conclusion.