mrfoxhound

yes but the joules are not gonna change , both post are relevant

still didn't chrono, here's someone else's un bias review of the same day

i think you miss the point of what we are discussing

its combination joules and weighing bbs, joules is the constant if the site limit for full auto aeg is 1.2 j and someone Chronos 1.2 j but the fps is 240 and they said the bb weight is 0.28 they lying cos a 0.28 at 1.2 j would chrono at 300/310 fps at 1.20 j , you would need to then weight to confirm , so technically they have passed chrono but have lied about the bb weight ,if there lying about bb weight what else are they being dishonest about?

yer can you remember when someone was walked off site or banned at your local airsoft?

you dont you weigh his shit , then ban him

that specific example would be related to what the site rules are ... so for example if the site rules where 1.2 j for full auto 1.88 for dmr and 2.3 for bolt action and a guy rolled up and said he was using .32s and his fps was 280/290 and his joules are 1.20/1.25 that's with in an acceptable variance all depending on how much over the site allows , i would be raising eye brows if if he said .32 and his fps is 240 and his joules is 1.20 , i don't think the average person cheating the chrono is going to such efforts to hide small % , but more larger jumps, i would also probly assume that people that are new to the hobby and either dont understand joule creep or that changing the weight is cheating the chrono ,i see it all the time on posts on facebook about people being a little to hot and some peoples advice is to just use heavy ammo , the consequences of that catch up with people

na the fps will not match your joule reading if i have a j reading of 1.2 and say im using 0.2 the fps is gonna be 360 mark if i have the same j reading and they say they are using 0.2 and the fps is 240 , im gonna question that and ask to weigh the bbs cos there using heavy ammo , 0.45 bbs

joules and fps not matching up

first off why are you name calling me for wanting to have more rigours standards for chrono then none at all, site culture and community is better then having a safety procedure?. anyone in mitigation against a site, using AP as an example as a defence would auto win they do not have mandatory chrono and have no way of knowing how many people are cheating the chrono on any given day you are arguing that we dont need seat belts because sometimes people die wearing a seat belt. if they lie about bb weight its easy to tell because of the chrono results , as i said before integral part of the hobby knowing bb weight ,fps and the chrono, the point of chrono is to cover you for insurance and insuring everyone is within the limit the site has set,if your telling porkies at the chrono and airsoft im gonna consider them a bad actor and we dont want that type of person around an honesty type hobby

so we take the assumption he is intentional cheating the chrono and hurts someone , and is then caught? if so, then the site wouldn't be found at fault it would be the player who intentional cheated would be found at fault

still they chrono no one and only spot check , here this is why it is bad, lets say 10 people play , we know 2 are intentionally cheating with hot shooters and the other 8 are as honest as honest can be , we don't do mandatory chrono at the start of the day and only spot check during games, we spot check during the second game, 4 people all pass, 2 people are still out on site with hot shooters.

yea ive seen it a few time ok so if you have full eye seal, type of foam is usually what is contacting skin , bbs can squeeze thru the foam skin part , yes straps and attachment points break when shot all the time

compromise eye protection involves more then breaking , involves straps , skin foam contact , stuff like that which i think people forget about better then no chrono at all also gives better cover with insurance if anything happens,

that half joule might be enough to compromise eye protection!

like i said rock ape , someone who knows chrono ,joules,fps and bb weight , pretty integral part of the hobby so they should know , the example you gave is a good example of what not to do and should not happen that would also time to bring out the scales I've been to sites that handle between 80/100 players regularly and have no trouble with chrono , and people cheating the chrono are caught pretty quick and are removed before lunch , i dunno what the insistence is with not have better chrono practices

your pushing my memory on the group name tla sound familiar i would say joules is a good constant indicator of bb weight being used , i rock up to the chrono with my dmr and its doing 350 fps, its has to be using 0.30/32 at 1.7/1.8 anything more its breaking rules, depending on site rules of course , its down to the rock ape doing the chrono to have the knowledge

cant rat anyone out at AP cos they dont chrono thats a big failure on the person doing the chrono by only measuring on fps and would be a site i would avoid

how would they know if they have a hot gun if no one Chronos .... not chrono anyone is lazy and opens up the site to massive safety risk and consequences ..... your example is a classic of bad practice. but you can tell when people like that lie because of the chrono reading

i remember observing her have a big melt down on facebook claiming people where trolling her ,which turned into a large group of people gang stalking her on the internet and in real life , then she disappeared.... guess the gang stalkers got her

you been spot checked before first game , AP does not comprehensively check all weapons when they have a game and they dont know if people are cheating the chrono

yea thats her . i remember she claimed people where gang stalking her and stuff on the internet she used to hangaround with a guy called Basildon dave and some of the guys that used to run a shop i remember her running IDF gear when one of the first TAR 21 came out probly late 2009 early 2010

i believe she claimed to be Israeli or ran a IDF load out ? maybe 2008/2009 ish ? the question you have to ask is how many people are cheating the chrono at AP , the answer is we don't know because they don't check any weapons before first game , if one person gets hurt and they attempt to claim on the insurance that's like a default win, they have no defence to say they insured all air muskets where with in site and legal limits . when people talk about insurance going up this will be why .

unknown , but its put me off from going there again , the first time i went i was given a spot check but the chrono didn't work , was during a live game , marshell said he would come back to find me with a new chrono ....but never did

if you dont know, at plantation they dont chrono anyone and only do spot checks , so irreverent of weighting ammo during spot check everybody is essential not chronoed