Lambda/DCA GPMG

Lambda have had 3 years to get this going.
Yes they provided a prototype, which although externally was good quality, was still incomplete. The internals were intermittent and was a right faff to get working. Which then failed all together and fell apart. The top magazine feature didn't work/wasnt ready. Effectively, lambda had only sent a half finished prototype that wasnt in anway fit for purpose, still equates to poor quality.
So yes.... it is incomplete... when they state that wasn't the case.

And financial demands.....
so DCA had paid for the set up cost up front.
Yes there were some hick ups lambda end. And Dave added more money.
But as time went on, and pre orders started getting cancelled, he couldn't keep plowing money into something that had no sign of being produced.
The time frames DCA kept giving, were lambdas very own time frames. Not the unrealistic ones they've made out DCA had set. But as time went on and the prototype sent was sub par. Yes he quite rightly either wanted a product or his money back. For an item that had a legal deadline drawn up by both parties lawyers, which was promised to be ready and off the shelf in under 2 years, yet still had no working prototype after 3....
You can't blame him for having enough.

In that 3 years, lambda have managed to design and manufacture both the ghm9 and a mp443
Pistol....
Yet can't even get one prototype ready. That was paid for upfront.

I'd be fuming too.
 
I find it funny that DCA claim the pre production model was low quality, but they thought it was good enough to put pictures and video all over their social media.
 
Cannonfodder said:
I find it funny that DCA claim the pre production model was low quality, but they thought it was good enough to put pictures and video all over their social media.
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I've just explained that above!
Was nothing to do with externals as such.
Some bits weren't finished.

But was mainly all the insides. As Non of the internals worked correctly, was a mish mash of parts to get semi firing and not was designed, and the internal magazine feature was missing. Which was the whole point of the weapon.
 
I would also just like to add that I am in no way affiliated with DCA.

I have a vested interest in this gpmg.
As I have built one from scratch. I was asked to come in on it, and lias with lambda.
Giving them all my files, designs, measurements, production prosses and how to get around certain manufacturing obstacles.

Then was there when the prototype arrived.

So I'm not sticking up for Dave like a fan boy. I'm telling the truth as it's gone down. Regardless of who it Involves.
It could have been firesupport, the results would have been the same!
 
I think you might've missed my point and tbh I probably could've worded it better.

When the video and pics were posted originally it was to great fanfare, but to now claim it's a lump of crap seems a bit funny to me and sounds like a lot of sour grapes. A bit like when a bloke asks a woman out and gets rejected only to start calling her ugly. From what I've seen online of DCS's inability to take the slightest criticism I'd say it fits the pattern. Quite simply if it was incomplete then that should've been made clear.

Mind you, as I posted yesterday, lambda's post isn't exactly believable either
 
I didn't miss the point.
He is a business.
Of course he was going to make a fan fare.

For example.
You have all these pre orders.
A project that's well over it's due date. And you you've got the risk of guys pulling out of pre orders.
What would you do. Go tell all of them it's crap!... no, as that's not good business. You got to try making sure the project seems on course.
And when it still with in the next deadline you still hold out hope.

Forget that it's dave for a second.
But what was he supposed to do here?...
He had no idea lambda weren't going to deliver!.
And a business and pre orders to fulfil.
 
Darkmikey22 said:
What would you do. Go tell all of them it's crap!... no, as that's not good business. You got to try making sure the project seems on course.
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I hope that isnt an argument in favour of lying to pre-order customers who's money you have to protect your potential profits.

Because whilst thats a very common business tactic of our era, its not one that should be justified encouraged.
 
Darkmikey22 said:
I didn't miss the point.
He is a business.
Of course he was going to make a fan fare.

For example.
You have all these pre orders.
A project that's well over it's due date. And you you've got the risk of guys pulling out of pre orders.
What would you do. Go tell all of them it's crap!... no, as that's not good business. You got to try making sure the project seems on course.
And when it still with in the next deadline you still hold out hope.

Forget that it's dave for a second.
But what was he supposed to do here?...
He had no idea lambda weren't going to deliver!.
And a business and pre orders to fulfil.
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That seems to be on the borderline of dishonesty, at the very least.
 
I'd rather a business is honest with bad news than string me along with a load of bullshit. Lying to customers is just going to erode any trust they have with the business and make them more likely to go elsewhere in future.

As for what was he supposed to do? Well do a start don't show it off on social media if you know it's crap. Send it back to Lambada with a list of what's wrong and let them sort it out
 
That's the point.
It was sent back!....

But lambda still had time to meet the deadline and fix the issues.
 
And if I remember correctly. He didn't make out it was the all bells and whistles. But was posted as a progress update!...

Plus I never said he had lied or been dishonest. I made it as an example!.
 
Look, I'm not trying to argue about this at all guys.

I have no idea how Dave runs his business.

It was pointed out on here, why did he state it was bad.
So I explained why.

At the end of the day, it wasn't good. Lambda have lied several times, including to me!...
The prototype was sent back. They promised to fix it and have it straight back. It never happened.
They still had a few months left before the deadline. Which then came and went.
Dave then tried to get his money back.

now were here.....

That's it.
 
By not giving full disclosure about the problems it gives a false impression that everything is fine and going along as intended. That to me is dishonest
 
I'm just disappointed that we are still lacking a decent GPMG at the end of the day. Though I would never have bought one from him for previously stated reasons. Maybe some other manufacturer will fill this obvious gap?
 
Can I throw my hat into this discussion?

I saw the video via Darkmikey22 on this forum ages ago & I remember thinking "how cool is that?" along with many other forum members...

I didn't realise DCA was involved with this project BUT if any airsoft retailer in the UK has any input or involvement in this frankly unique project them kudos to them, we (as in the majority of forum members) all know this is likely to be a niche product for a limited market so progress is likely to be slow and the end product likely to cost an arm & a leg so for me at least I'm interested to see any progress at all, I have no financial investment in the product, no pre-order made (by anyone?) so if a business like DCA wants to financially support this development then good for them, if they were promised more progress than has happened then why shouldn't they take actions to either speed up the project or try to recoup their money? Unless anyone here has also invested their £££ in this project then why has this discussion become antagonistic?
Lets play nicely please?

I remember someone here saying a few years ago... "there's a reason there are so many AR15 variants". Many people have also said... "I'll save my money for the V2 release"

or words to that effect.
 
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