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Call Your Hits, or a Cautionary Tale of Marksmanship

It's also a positive from a safety perspective. You have a designated area rather than people sticking a barrel out of the safe zone or letting off a burst in the car park to "see if it works". 
Not having a safezone here, I always see this kind of scenes, people plugging batteries in and letting off bursts without checking for others.

Yep, I definitely need to talk about this with my club's president.

 
That is not a bad idea!

Having a permanent firing range on the field, so that people can a) set the hop correctly and b) understand they gun's range and hopefully stop bitching about people supposedly not calling hits :D


it has to be of decent length though.

plenty of sites have "ranges" where you're talking maybe 10m max range, nowhere near good enough for setting a hop on even a 1j gun.

even the range i was referring to in the op was 20m max and feasable to do with minimal hop.

 
While a decent length range isn't always feasible for all sites, there's nothing to stop a player going into the game area before play starts to set their hop up or zero sights

IIRC rift have a zero tolerance policy to dry firing in the safezone, anyone caught doing it is immediately sent home. While this may seem a bit harsh it only takes one person to accidentally leave 'one up the spout' for someone to have a very bad day

 
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Thats normally what i do these days, need a nice long distance to get everything set.

 
Yet again I mourn for the loss of Combat South, their crono and testing area had metal head and torso pinned to trees. These were near enough level despite the drop off, ranged at 27, 45m (and 70m I think). You could hear the plink so you knew what was hitting where. I like to think this reduced the amount of "take your hit" crying but this is likely a rose tinted view.


Also I think 52m, 84m and 91m. Although the 91m involved an element of luck. Also needed to not have a bunch of AEG's unloading into the close range targets if you were to have any chance of hearing the impact.

I suspect the morning briefing on reporting perceived problems to the marshalls rather than shouting the odds yourself probably played a larger part.  However, a reality check for those who are convinced their AEG's shoot 100m is never a bad thing. 

 
it has to be of decent length though.
Yeah, we do have a couple of places on our field that we never use and are suitable for a shooting range. 70/80m long with not many trees in the way and a relatively flat surface.

But yeah, the point is to show people that they aren't sending real freedom seeds down range and that they are definitely not hitting that dude at 70 metres on 0.2s :D

 
Yeah, we do have a couple of places on our field that we never use and are suitable for a shooting range. 70/80m long with not many trees in the way and a relatively flat surface.

But yeah, the point is to show people that they aren't sending real freedom seeds down range and that they are definitely not hitting that dude at 70 metres on 0.2s :D
What  the heck is a 'Freedom Seed' ?

Regards 

 
It would be interesting to see how a game would pan out if everyone had exactly the same stock RIF. I know not all guns turn out the same, even from factory but if you could guarantee a certain standard and left it to individuals to adjust the hop. I imagine you'd see plenty of people stood at 60m emptying mags at eachother without hits landing.

 
The NRA(National Rifle Association) call bullets "freedom seeds" 

 
But yeah, the point is to show people that they aren't sending real freedom seeds down range and that they are definitely not hitting that dude at 70 metres on 0.2s :D


Absolutely, the other fun fallacy is when folk seem to assume that because you're reaching out to their position that their own rounds are doing the same.

Which is as ridiculous as the opposite trope of assuming every gun with a scope is a sniper and therefore shoots further.

 
Absolutely, the other fun fallacy is when folk seem to assume that because you're reaching out to their position that their own rounds are doing the same.
Yup that's the main argument against me when I'm plinking at them with my pistols or bolty (all loaded with 0.3s and Maple Leaf hop rubbers)

 
Yup that's the main argument against me when I'm plinking at them with my pistols or bolty (all loaded with 0.3s and Maple Leaf hop rubbers)


yep

fortunately the place i'm currently playing at most of the players are pretty good at identifying the range difference.

only problem is i'm hesitant to explain how i'm doing it whilst not running hot lest i lose my edge :P

 
only problem is i'm hesitant to explain how i'm doing it whilst not running hot lest i lose my edge :P
I'm safe for now, nobody asks questions, they just think I'm some kind of wizard and they all stick to 0.2s because "there's more in the bag". The italian airsoft scene is quite ignorant, there are "personalities" out there who keep telling people that a 0.2g bb will have more range than a 0.3g because it's faster and therefore less influenced by external factors like wind and gravity, which makes me really happy as I get to keep my range advantage :D

They have recently discovered R-Hops though, thanks to the scam that Psionic is, so they're very slowly catching up. Thankfully the "system" is super expensive at €130 for a shitty patch, an overpriced barrel and a useless tensioner, as of now there is only ONE person in the club that runs it (albeit on 0.2s lol).

I say shitty because I've seen it, I've seen the tensioner and tested the performance against my €11 maple leaf rubbers. 10x the expense, 0x noticeable difference.

The main issue in this shit country is sourcing good heavy BBs, I've stocked a few Specna Edge (BLS) bags of 0.28 and 0.30 gram bbs, next year I'll see if I can buy in bulk (say one/two cartons of 0.28s, a few bags of 0.3s and some 0.4s) from abroad.

 
It would be interesting to see how a game would pan out if everyone had exactly the same stock RIF.
I would sign up for this, make me sound like a rental, but hell this is pure tactics and hop settings. Sounds like fun in a woodland setting where your engagement distance would shrink to real close fire fights

 
I would sign up for this, make me sound like a rental, but hell this is pure tactics and hop settings. Sounds like fun in a woodland setting where your engagement distance would shrink to real close fire fights


I suppose you could just chuck everyone a cheap spring shotgun and just go for it!

 
I suppose you could just chuck everyone a cheap spring shotgun and just go for it!


Could be interesting if its done thematically, like a milsim sort of thing but with a level playing field.

 
IIRC rift have a zero tolerance policy to dry firing in the safezone, anyone caught doing it is immediately sent home. While this may seem a bit harsh it only takes one person to accidentally leave 'one up the spout' for someone to have a very bad day
as a regular player at RIFT sites, i can report that they do indeed have that rule in place,  and they also enforce "mags out, weapons clear" before entering the safezone. players have to dry fire 3 times in front of marshal before allowed to enter the safezone.

this probably isn't going to come as a great revelation to most  but i figured it's an interesting story that maybe merits use as a means of reminding people about the greatest of airsoft sins- the non hit taker.

so to preface this we all know the cry, "call yer [redacted] hits you [redacted]", a yell of frustration at the perceived sin of a player breaking the honesty on which our game is based. it's a trap we've all fallen into and i won't deny having fallen for it many times myself.

of course the key word there is "perceived", to many the issue of crying foul is just as egregious as cheating in the first place, no doubt born from having been on the receiving end of such accusations and knowing that the supposed "hit" flew wide (or in my case dropped short).
oh i have been on the recieving end of those calls all too often.  nearly always from players whos shots are falling short, and a couple that flew wide.

worst one was a couple of weeks ago. i was playing at a site and defending the flag at a pumphouse building, and was inside a room where the window looking in the direction of the enemy spawn is up high, and has steps built up in front of it to allow people to step up to the window to fire, and then step down or duck either side of the window to avoid return fire, all while being inside a darkened room. ricochets and weapon hits don't count. so im stood by the window and firing at enemies as they approach and i have incoming fire, so im popping up, firing a burst, then ducking back into cover.  enemy fire is mostly dropping short, and there are only a few shots that do manage to reach my position, but are visibly ricocheting off the window or the sandbags on the window sill,  yet i still have several of the enemy team shouting at me to "take your f*****g hits"...   

fortunately for me, the head marshal is outside the building while patroling the game area, and shouts that hes watching their shots fall short, and verifies that the few shots that did make it to my position were ricocheting around the small window and not hitting me directly.

one player claimed that hes watching his tracer bbs bounce off me, and had to be corrected that his shot trajectories were hitting the sandbags first, and then bouncing up into the room, and not only that,  but i wasnt even stood at the window when he fired at me... because the marshal saw me through the doorway, in cover below the window level reloading my P90, so there was no way he was watching tracers bounce off me.

still...  i just shrugged it off that they were simply pissed off that i had such a good position, that i was able to hold the pumphouse solo for around 30 mins and stop them from capturing the flag... and that i had a killstreak long enough that if it were call of duty i could have called in a nuke  =P

Absolutely, the other fun fallacy is when folk seem to assume that because you're reaching out to their position that their own rounds are doing the same.

Which is as ridiculous as the opposite trope of assuming every gun with a scope is a sniper and therefore shoots further.
this...  very much this.

 
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The italian airsoft scene is quite ignorant, there are "personalities" out there who keep telling people that a 0.2g bb will have more range than a 0.3g because it's faster and therefore less influenced by external factors like wind and gravity, which makes me really happy as I get to keep my range advantage :D
Wow. Do these people understand basic physics and inertia? If lighter was better then surely we'd all be running around firing .12g bbs

 
Wow. Do these people understand basic physics and inertia? If lighter was better then surely we'd all be running around firing .12g bbs
Nah, they only understand their own personal physic laws because they are right and you are wrong :D

 
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