petition on knife law changes

[Tackle]

Bout TWELVE years ago A&E docs around the country petitioned parliament on a similar matter, wanting a ban on sales of all knives that blades came to a point on the end, they wanted everything to have a large flat area on the end that was incapable of penetration injuries......... obviously it got thrown out, anybody with a modicum of common sense knows its not the knives that need "fixing", & as we've all pointed out, scrotes will just reach for a kitchen knife or screwdriver, or grind new tips.

Also indicates it was a problem 12 years ago, nothing new, but the cynical amongst us might suggest that maybe the government is happy for us to be up in arms about this "problem", & maybe be less aware of what they're getting up to, or more to the point, failing to do ?.

 

[Rogerborg]

https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2018/june/have-your-say-on-the-offensive-weapons-bill/

As per the URL.  My experience has been that these consultations are a waste of time and an exercise in nodding along while swinging the rubber stamp, but maybe this will be the one that changes my mind.

 

[clumpyedge]

To be honest I wonder if anybody who has ever been a victim of knife crime would ever sign this thing.

It is all well and good people moaning about how it affects them but it affects the poor sods getting stabbed a lot more. 

As for having swords in your house being affected by the laws on bladed items that sucks but I wonder how many have been stolen in burglaries and then ended being used in a crime.

There is no easy answer. I don't like the draconian laws but at the end of the day I would happily live by them if it meant my kids were safe in the street.

The obvious answer is draconian responses to crime. But unfortunately people moan about mutilating and hanging people, right up until they are the victim themselves.

It will never be sensible because those in charge have no real understanding of normal life.

I've been held up at knife point when I used to work in bars and walked home from work in the early hours but I still collect a fair amount of decent knives made by UK knife makers. I can see the point the litigation is trying to make but unfortunately as has already been said most of the knife crime if not all the perps have either got the knife from home or from a high street shop with the zombie knife and machetes being the exception but even then some places like go outdoors and smaller hobby shops have and do sell the bigger type of bladed articles seen in some of the crimes committed. Hell I remember buying my first boker knife (which I still have and use it almost daily) from some dodgy little shop in southend that also sold airguns and similar to pretty much anyone!

One thing I have noticed and correct me if you think this is unfair but the amount of young shop staff that seem to feel scared to ask people for ID and so people manage to get things they shouldn't because its all to easy for them to do so, I even know some places locally that I'm sure if you asked them what year someone was born could figure out how old they are from that!

 

[Tiercel]

Another utterly ridiculous kneejerk reaction by a government that doesn't have a damn clue what it's doing. All the Dindu Nuffins are busy Dinduing, so let's ban private ownership of classical and historical swords on display in the privacy of your own home... Because that's what the Dindus are using.

Oh wait.. no they're not. They're using Poundland kitchen knives and.. according to Harrow MPS, pencils.

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[Tommikka]

https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2018/june/have-your-say-on-the-offensive-weapons-bill/

As per the URL.  My experience has been that these consultations are a waste of time and an exercise in nodding along while swinging the rubber stamp, but maybe this will be the one that changes my mind.

It worked for the skirmisher Defence under the VCRA 

 

[djben9]

Another utterly ridiculous kneejerk reaction by a government that doesn't have a damn clue what it's doing. All the Dindu Nuffins are busy Dinduing, so let's ban private ownership of classical and historical swords on display in the privacy of your own home... Because that's what the Dindus are using.

Oh wait.. no they're not. They're using Poundland kitchen knives and.. according to Harrow MPS, pencils.

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well thats me in danger if this goes further, i go to surveys with pencils in the equipment bag.....in fact the 'clicky' ones are more dangerous as they have  metal point  :lol: :lol:

hang on i should be fine as i wear a tactical yellow vest  :lol: :lol:

 

[Immortal]

This won't change crime at all. Criminals don't care about law. It just penalises the people that do.

 

[Duff]

What we need is a police force that operate akin to the city guards in TES:Oblivion.

Actually would be hilarious. I just read that back, their AI is atrocious.

What about sharp sticks? Sharp sticks are OP as fuck. Ban those!

 

[L3wisD]

What we need is a police force that operate akin to the city guards in TES:Oblivion.

 

[Immortal]

Teeth? Finger nails? Cheese wire? Karate chop to the kneck? Heavy boots? Timber? Household chemicals? Cars? Pollution? Stress? NHS? Bricks? Hammers? Bad jokes?

They must all be banned. All potential killers.

Think of all the snowflakes trembling under their duvets reading that list. FFS....

May aswell ban me too...

 

[MisterG]

For those who don't take their hits ?

Firing BBs of course

 

[Sacarathe]

Out of sight - out of mind.

As long as you're sensible I don't see a problem with tansporting them sensibly. Whether that be to a skirmish, a shop, a friends house for a backyard pew.

Being sensible is being sensible, but what the person possessing the item thinks is not relevant, it's whether they can convince someone objecting to their possessing it in a particular place which counts.

As a rule I say never possess a RIF in public unless you're taking it somewhere, and you have a good reason (which to me, and as you say, means an intent to perform maintenance of any kind, or shooting of any [legal] kind. 

Same for knives really. That being said, a lot of us carry a knife everywhere, so that's not a fool proof line of reasoning, lets lets leave that at "cutlery knives".

 

[Duff]

Being sensible is being sensible, but what the person possessing the item thinks is not relevant, it's whether they can convince someone objecting to their possessing it in a particular place which counts.

As a rule I say never possess a RIF in public unless you're taking it somewhere, and you have a good reason (which to me, and as you say, means an intent to perform maintenance of any kind, or shooting of any [legal] kind. 

Same for knives really. That being said, a lot of us carry a knife everywhere, so that's not a fool proof line of reasoning, lets lets leave that at "cutlery knives".

True. I always have a knife on me, usually a folding blade too. Illegal I know but it's a habit I have had my entire life.

Not once have I pulled it on someone in an aggressive manner or brandished it in an unsafe way.

The laws on wielding a knife are simple, nothing longer than a 3 inch locking blade. I imagine no one realised you can murder someone quite profficiently with a 1" blade.

Believe it or not, I try to be sensible. Most of the time.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

True. I always have a knife on me, usually a folding blade too. Illegal I know but it's a habit I have had my entire life.

Not once have I pulled it on someone in an aggressive manner or brandished it in an unsafe way.

The laws on wielding a knife are simple, nothing longer than a 3 inch locking blade. I imagine no one realised you can murder someone quite profficiently with a 1" blade.

Believe it or not, I try to be sensible. Most of the time.

isn't it sub 3" locking blade is the limit for not needing to justify having it, you can carry bigger but you need a reason (and relevant, not "i need this 9" bowie knife because i'm a chef")

 

[Duff]

isn't it sub 3" locking blade is the limit for not needing to justify having it, you can carry bigger but you need a reason (and relevant, not "i need this 9" bowie knife because i'm a chef")

Ah yes it specifically say 3" or under...

What makes you think I would know the ins and outs of the laws I break on a daily basis? ?

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Ah possibly. What makes you think I would know the ins and outs of the laws I break on a daily basis? ?

i wouldnt worry, i just have a knack for remembering pointless things in detail and instantly forgetting important things

 

[Jedi_Master]

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[Tackle]

Believe it or not, I try to be sensible. Most of the time.

Don't believe a word of it ?