Wanting to by a really good out-of-the box airsoft gun

[Haru]

could always get a tm recoil and flex on everyone

 

[RostokMcSpoons]

Also I forgot to mention, I want it to be able to handle slightly heavy bbs (over .25g) outdoors

Most gats will lift 0.28s with the simple addition of a replacement hop rubber (typically Maple Leaf), and a replacement nub (typically an Omega).

My DE with those lifts 0.32s and pushed them out to nice ranges (over 50m)

 

[Yashy]

could always get a tm recoil and flex on everyone

https://www.defconairsoft.co.uk/product/tokyo-marui-recoil-tm416d-next-gen-recoil-shock/ holy fuck 

Most gats will lift 0.28s with the simple addition of a replacement hop rubber (typically Maple Leaf), and a replacement nub (typically an Omega).

My DE with those lifts 0.32s and pushed them out to nice ranges (over 50m)

So i'm guessing this gun that is like 200 quid under my budget, seems like a good choice in the end? https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/specna-arms-sa-h22-edge-2-0-tm-carbine-aeg 

 

[Haru]

So i'm guessing this gun that is like 200 quid under my budget, seems like a good choice in the end? https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/specna-arms-sa-h22-edge-2-0-tm-carbine-aeg 

hit add to cart and buy now

 

[RostokMcSpoons]

And perhaps add one of these to go on it

https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/vortex-crossfire-red-dot-sight

That's a great option, with a lifetime replace-for-any-breakage warranty, that'll go with any gun. (but it has to be said that Eotech clones look particularly good on 416's.  So maybe a Holy Warrior instead)

 

[Leo Greer]

 Thanks @Leo Greer that's a very useful review of the Novris and Krytacs.  Probably better off with the Specna over either of them then?

Specna has changed manufacturers around over the years, and unfortunately I’ve never had my hands on any of them. From personal experience contrasted with what I’ve heard, Novi/Krytac perform better more consistently. Are they bad gnus? That seems to depend on the model/OEM, and that I don’t know anything about.

It is worth noting that Specna/Novi are quite a bit cheaper than Krytac, which ups my recommendation significantly for either.

I thought the Krytac squeak was primarily down to the motor, not the gears? Can you just replace the stock gears (I understand they're proprietary?) with aftermarket ones or have they implemented some fuckery where it isn't that simple? I don't want to pay Prommy/Laylax £70+ for some 13:1 gears.

I've also read that the Krytac motors are a slightly different length/size than "standard" motors which makes it difficult to change but as usual the internet is full of conflicting info.

I've been on the fence about doing work to mine or selling it on but I love the aesthetic of the 'wirecutter' handguard.

The squeak is related to the height of the bevel gear in relation to the pinion. The spur gear is pushed upwards by the upraised edges of the bearing hole, which increases bevel height, and causes the sound. This is evident even on extremely high end Krytac builds using extremely nice motors. (I’ve personally tried Tienly, ASG, ZCI, Lonex, etc, and other assorted pinions transplanted onto various motors.

I was able to fix the issue by filing the lips of the bearing hole to lower the spur gear by a large amount. The issue then was that the shaft of the spur gear was too long and pressed on the gear for the dual selector, so then more dremel work.

It’s not easy to replace the stock set because of classic fitment issues. The Prommy set does work, but from what I’ve heard they’re not good quality (I don’t have personal experience), The original Krytac set are extremely durable (much better than SHS).

 If you want to increase the speed, I would highly recommend picking up a quality 40K-35K motor, such as Tienly, the ASG Boost 30K (actually 35K), or simply ordering one from ChiHai.

As far as I know, the motors are the same size as ordinary long shaft motors, but if not you can simply adjust the motor height, so the minute differences in shaft length should be irrelevant. I’m actually away from home for a while, so I can’t measure mine for you, but if you’d like I can ask around and find more info on the Prommy sets and Krytac shaft length.

 

[MrTea]

The squeak is related to the height of the bevel gear in relation to the pinion. The spur gear is pushed upwards by the upraised edges of the bearing hole, which increases bevel height, and causes the sound. This is evident even on extremely high end Krytac builds using extremely nice motors. (I’ve personally tried Tienly, ASG, ZCI, Lonex, etc, and other assorted pinions transplanted onto various motors.

I was able to fix the issue by filing the lips of the bearing hole to lower the spur gear by a large amount. The issue then was that the shaft of the spur gear was too long and pressed on the gear for the dual selector, so then more dremel work.

It’s not easy to replace the stock set because of classic fitment issues. The Prommy set does work, but from what I’ve heard they’re not good quality (I don’t have personal experience), The original Krytac set are extremely durable (much better than SHS).
 

As far as I know, the motors are the same size as ordinary long shaft motors, but if not you can simply adjust the motor height, so the minute differences in shaft length should be irrelevant. I’m actually away from home for a while, so I can’t measure mine for you, but if you’d like I can ask around and find more info on the Prommy sets and Krytac shaft length.

Why are Krytac like this ?

That said, i'm happy with the performance as is and the only 'upgrade' I would potentially be looking at is a Perun Hybrid or AB++ so I can get some AB & precocking. I'd probably go the Hybrid route as I need as much space in my buffer tube as possible as that's where the battery lives in my Krytac. 18:1 gears are absolutely fine and don't need to be changed but was asking about them as I read they're proprietary but haven't actually opened it up as of yet. I still use 18:1 in my Mk18 build and it's competitive in semi & full auto with most other AEGs that aren't DSG. The difference between my 18:1 Mk18 and 13:1 MP5 makes zero difference in the real world.

 

[Leo Greer]

Why are Krytac like this ?

That said, i'm happy with the performance as is and the only 'upgrade' I would potentially be looking at is a Perun Hybrid or AB++ so I can get some AB & precocking. I'd probably go the Hybrid route as I need as much space in my buffer tube as possible as that's where the battery lives in my Krytac. 18:1 gears are absolutely fine and don't need to be changed but was asking about them as I read they're proprietary but haven't actually opened it up as of yet. I still use 18:1 in my Mk18 build and it's competitive in semi & full auto with most other AEGs that aren't DSG. The difference between my 18:1 Mk18 and 13:1 MP5 makes zero difference in the real world.

I’m actually convinced they made the gears semi-proprietary on purpose, since there’s really no reason at all to place the gears like they did and make the spur unusual… it’s painful.

One note on adding a Perun Hybrid—it actually takes a fair amount of material removal to fit a Perun to their GB shells, so be ready with your dremel, but go for it!