Wanting to by a really good out-of-the box airsoft gun

[Haru]

Yeah just using patrol base as a reference.

I'm loving the look of this gun. https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/specna-arms-sa-h22-edge-2-0-tm-carbine-aeg

solid pick, grab it in tan 

 

[MrTea]

Cheapest i've found (in black) is here for £299.95.

What I don't understand is why the SA-H12 (also 416 but don't buy this one) is ambidextrous plus it has a nice paddle for the bolt release but they didn't do the same for the Edge 2.0 H series...

 

[C-Diddy]

I picked a Specna Arms Edge up for my son earlier this year. It's one of the RRA standard Edges, not from the Edge 2.0 series. I have to say, for a sub £200 gun it was pretty impressive out of the box. His mate bought an Ares that was double the price (his dad didn't listen to me!) and that sounds like a bag of dicks next to the Specna.

Range and ROF are decent enough, and build quality is fine. I imagine that the Edge 2.0s are an improvement, as alluded to by the trusted voices above. 

Having said that, his Specna is currently away getting a service and some TLC as it suffered from a dead trigger at the end of the last game. 

Cyma are also producing some awesome, out of the box gems. The Platinum series look really good, and, even though I'm a TM whore, I have a stock Cyma AK that I will never get rid of because it's just brilliant. I've heard their M4s are also pretty damn good too, now.

Not heard anything too good about VFC, apart from their externals and official licensing. TM is also pretty much then gold standard for stock performance, but the prices now would stretch your budget. 

 

[Krisz]

My budget is around 400-450, I can squeeze in a little extra.

I'm not bothered about upgrading internals and stuff, just need something sweet out of the box and really good.

Hopefully this is straight forward! Thank ya 

Scorpion EVO.

 

[Leo Greer]

I like the sound of the Arcturus guns, shame they seem to be hard to find.  Maybe Krytac or :gasp: Novritsch might be contenders for around £350?

Second on Novi—the warranty is nice, and they perform okay OOTB, especially for their price.

My one note is that Novi uses (on the SSR4) the same crappy hop unit, hop rubber, and barrel that Lancer Craptical does. All the money is in the gearbox, getting you an ETU, good neo motor, high speed gears, etc.

Krytac is becoming slightly outdated at this point in regard to their offerings for the price. The internals, while being quite solid, are intentionally proprietary in some painful areas, like the spur gear. This leads to the infamous “Krytac squeak”, which is extremely hard to fix.

Particular to the UK models with lower FPS, they get overspin on 11.1v very easily. This leads to you either needing to use a 7.4v, or do work right out of the box.

None of these are “make or break” cons, but when you’re paying as much as you do for a Krytac… you should expect better.

On the flip side, Krytac does a lot of things great. Their barrel groups are the most accurate OOTB of any RIF I’ve had my grubby fingers on. Their gearbox shells are bulletproof, and the gears, while proprietary, are stronger than almost all aftermarket sets available.

 

[RostokMcSpoons]

 Thanks @Leo Greer that's a very useful review of the Novris and Krytacs.  Probably better off with the Specna over either of them then?

 

[MrTea]

Krytac is becoming slightly outdated at this point in regard to their offerings for the price. The internals, while being quite solid, are intentionally proprietary in some painful areas, like the spur gear. This leads to the infamous “Krytac squeak”, which is extremely hard to fix

I thought the Krytac squeak was primarily down to the motor, not the gears? Can you just replace the stock gears (I understand they're proprietary?) with aftermarket ones or have they implemented some fuckery where it isn't that simple? I don't want to pay Prommy/Laylax £70+ for some 13:1 gears.

I've also read that the Krytac motors are a slightly different length/size than "standard" motors which makes it difficult to change but as usual the internet is full of conflicting info.

I've been on the fence about doing work to mine or selling it on but I love the aesthetic of the 'wirecutter' handguard.

 

[Yashy]

I picked a Specna Arms Edge up for my son earlier this year. It's one of the RRA standard Edges, not from the Edge 2.0 series. I have to say, for a sub £200 gun it was pretty impressive out of the box. His mate bought an Ares that was double the price (his dad didn't listen to me!) and that sounds like a bag of dicks next to the Specna.

Range and ROF are decent enough, and build quality is fine. I imagine that the Edge 2.0s are an improvement, as alluded to by the trusted voices above. 

Having said that, his Specna is currently away getting a service and some TLC as it suffered from a dead trigger at the end of the last game. 

Cyma are also producing some awesome, out of the box gems. The Platinum series look really good, and, even though I'm a TM whore, I have a stock Cyma AK that I will never get rid of because it's just brilliant. I've heard their M4s are also pretty damn good too, now.

Not heard anything too good about VFC, apart from their externals and official licensing. TM is also pretty much then gold standard for stock performance, but the prices now would stretch your budget. 

Second on Novi—the warranty is nice, and they perform okay OOTB, especially for their price.

My one note is that Novi uses (on the SSR4) the same crappy hop unit, hop rubber, and barrel that Lancer Craptical does. All the money is in the gearbox, getting you an ETU, good neo motor, high speed gears, etc.

Krytac is becoming slightly outdated at this point in regard to their offerings for the price. The internals, while being quite solid, are intentionally proprietary in some painful areas, like the spur gear. This leads to the infamous “Krytac squeak”, which is extremely hard to fix.

Particular to the UK models with lower FPS, they get overspin on 11.1v very easily. This leads to you either needing to use a 7.4v, or do work right out of the box.

None of these are “make or break” cons, but when you’re paying as much as you do for a Krytac… you should expect better.

On the flip side, Krytac does a lot of things great. Their barrel groups are the most accurate OOTB of any RIF I’ve had my grubby fingers on. Their gearbox shells are bulletproof, and the gears, while proprietary, are stronger than almost all aftermarket sets available.

 Thanks @Leo Greer that's a very useful review of the Novris and Krytacs.  Probably better off with the Specna over either of them then?

Someone mentioned one of these rifles, it looks really good. https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/umarex-h-and-k-hk416-a5-aeg-rifle I don't know much about hks, but would this model be better than the other previous gun I was thinking about getting? Link to that :https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/specna-arms-sa-h22-edge-2-0-tm-carbine-aeg

 

[MrTea]

Someone mentioned one of these rifles, it looks really good. https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/umarex-h-and-k-hk416-a5-aeg-rifle I don't know much about hks, but would this model be better than the other previous gun I was thinking about getting? Link to that :https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/specna-arms-sa-h22-edge-2-0-tm-carbine-aeg

I'd go for the SA-H22 over the Umarex offering from what I can see, especially with that price difference! An extra £180 for minor receiver differences and a different handguard? The SA-H22 has a programmable MOSFET (GATE Aster) where the listing for the Umarex version doesn't mention any programmability.

I suspect it's a MOSFET that is there only to protect trigger contacts when using 11.1v LiPo and that's it. I'd assume the extra £180 they're charging is for the HK licensing they've got on the receiver. Look at the Umarex offering against the SA-H12 One. The receivers are basically the same minus the trademarks.

If you dislike the handguard on the SA-H22, with the £180 saved you can easily buy a new handguard/rail and still have more than £100 left over.

If I were you, go for the SA-H22 if you're choosing between the two.

 

[Ash1093]

Ah my apologises.

I only sadly love the m4 derivatives as it’s the only one that makes me feel comfortable to look at! 

EMG F1 has been a decent platform for me, you will also have a few Bob left over to upgrade any part you deem necessary. But the gearbox it came with has been good to me non the less

 

[BigAl]

Go for one of the higher end Cyma”s. They are OEM for a lot of other ‘brands’ anyway.  Spend the rest on kit like decent batteries, charger snd quality mags. 

 

[Rogerborg]

Hmm, I hadn't spotted that the Edge 2.0s are £300 and up now.  That's harder to justify when Double Eagles come in at £100 less (albeit in polymer) with a decent fire control system.

That said, if you have the budget, the Edge 2.0s will probably be fine, they've got that ASTER swagger, and they're in stock.  You could spend months trying to decide between M4s / 416s based on largely imaginary differences, while prices keep rising and they keep going in and out of stock.

 

[RostokMcSpoons]

Hmm, I hadn't spotted that the Edge 2.0s are £300 and up now.  That's harder to justify when Double Eagles come in at £100 less (albeit in polymer) with a decent fire control system.

Metal handguard version still available for £189 from our favourite retailer

https://bbguns4less.co.uk/products/double-eagle-m906c-ar15-rifle-with-falcon-system-in-black.html

Or the longer version with the better crane stock fitted... £229

https://bbguns4less.co.uk/products/double-eagle-m908a-ar15-rifle-with-falcon-system-in-black.html

Patrolbase have the polymer gat in stock for a sensible £160 again

https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/double-eagle-m904g-honey-badger-w-fire-control-system-edition?pv=13200

 

[Dan Robinson]

Patrolbase have the polymer gat in stock for a sensible £160 again

https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/double-eagle-m904g-honey-badger-w-fire-control-system-edition?pv=13200

Jeepers - that's gone up another tenner since I bought it.

 

[Fatboy40]

https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/double-eagle-m904g-honey-badger-w-fire-control-system-edition?pv=13200

The £20 more for the M904E, and a proper buffer tube, is worth it

 

[Tackle]

Metal handguard version still available for £189 from our favourite retailer

https://bbguns4less.co.uk/products/double-eagle-m906c-ar15-rifle-with-falcon-system-in-black.html

Or the longer version with the better crane stock fitted... £229

https://bbguns4less.co.uk/products/double-eagle-m908a-ar15-rifle-with-falcon-system-in-black.html

Patrolbase have the polymer gat in stock for a sensible £160 again

https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/double-eagle-m904g-honey-badger-w-fire-control-system-edition?pv=13200

That's what I'm talking about, op could have matching long & short gats for his budget. 

I'd be all over that?

 

[Yashy]

Go for one of the higher end Cyma”s. They are OEM for a lot of other ‘brands’ anyway.  Spend the rest on kit like decent batteries, charger snd quality mags. 

any links/recommendations? don't know much about cyma.

Hmm, I hadn't spotted that the Edge 2.0s are £300 and up now.  That's harder to justify when Double Eagles come in at £100 less (albeit in polymer) with a decent fire control system.

That said, if you have the budget, the Edge 2.0s will probably be fine, they've got that ASTER swagger, and they're in stock.  You could spend months trying to decide between M4s / 416s based on largely imaginary differences, while prices keep rising and they keep going in and out of stock.

My budget is around 400-500, its so hard to actually find a weapon when everyone here just says this is good but it has these problems... ? its so stressfull! To be exact, its 400-500 quid on the actual gun itself, i've got batteries and stuff already.

god my adhd has gone into overdrive mode literally don't know what to get ughh!! 

Also I forgot to mention, I want it to be able to handle slightly heavy bbs (over .25g) outdoors.

 

[RostokMcSpoons]

You don't have to spend £500 to get the good results though.

Think positively. With money left in the bank you can buy some Gucci quality webbing, or fancy optics, or .... MOAR GUNZ

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[Dan Robinson]

Totally  - 2 sub £200 guns will be much better than one fancy schmancy one that WILL go wrong one day leaving you with zero guns until its fixed.  The extra £300 won't necessarily mean it lasts longer either.

Well - that's how I've justified my ever-growing gun wall.... There's always space for one more.  

 

[gavinkempsell]

I have a few rif's to chose from but most games I've played so far has been with this... https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/cyber-gun-fn-scar-aeg?pv=16775 bought it two tone and despite trying some of my other rif's I've enjoyed this more than any of the 'better' one's.