THE TM MWS thread

[costpershot]

Man - you guys are the best. Thanks for all the responses.

@Davegolf - Thanks so much. I will PM you for details. The grip is not a clone as far as I can tell - it did mate well to the receiver and only "wobbled" after this happened and the bolt came loose. And LOL yes this is what inspired my username. 

@Jacket - Thanks Jacket. Will PM you and see if we can work something out. 

@alxndrhll - Thanks for the suggestion - I was thinking along similar lines and am trying it as we speak (waiting for the glue to cure lol)

@C-Diddy - I used the OG bolt - i used a socket rachet which may have been the wrong call in hindsight lol. 

@AlphaBear - thanks AlphaB. Figured it wouldn't be covered, but thought I'd ask.

Appreciate you guys!

 

[Mr. No_Face]

Did some trouble shooting to try and diagnose the problems and It seems two out of my 3 mags keep erupting, (Expelling gas) after 3 shots without fail.

With each eruption Destroying more and more of the nozzle....Doesn't matter which gas I use It keeps happening. Now why in the blue hell is this happening and why are the TM MWS internals so goddamn pathetic? £500 pounds really?

 

[Davegolf]

DId you check the piston seal is not dry?

Have you checked the valve knocker is functioning and resetting correctly?

With a 'good mag' does it happily fire off all shots?

The guns not pathetic - you have a problem somewhere.

Most machines eat themselves when theres a fault Stay frosty

 

[Mr. No_Face]

DId you check the piston seal is not dry?

Have you checked the valve knocker is functioning and resetting correctly?

With a 'good mag' does it happily fire off all shots?

The guns not pathetic - you have a problem somewhere.

Most machines eat themselves when theres a fault Stay frosty

everything is well lubed, the valve knocker is working accordingly. 

The gun externally is flawless but the internal, plastic components mays as well be fucking glass.

 

[Wavey_Gravey]

Didn’t you swap out the charging handle? Could be worth putting the original back in…

Might be be a fitment issue though not sure why it would only affect 2/4 mags.

 

[Davegolf]

Mags push up against the BCG, the BCG in turn pushes the charging handle up into the recevier.

Ive said it time and time again, if you have any problem revert to stock and start again.

You cant upgrade something if it doesnt work in standard form.

 

[Snippy]

Did some trouble shooting to try and diagnose the problems and It seems two out of my 3 mags keep erupting, (Expelling gas) after 3 shots without fail.

With each eruption Destroying more and more of the nozzle....Doesn't matter which gas I use It keeps happening. Now why in the blue hell is this happening and why are the TM MWS internals so goddamn pathetic? £500 pounds really?

Before you keep saying the TM MWS is pathetic, perhaps you ought to revert your gun to stock if you made any modifications, check components to see if theres something out of place. Considering how many people are in this thread, no one has called this platform garbage. Most, if not all GBB have plastic internals so I dont get your complaint here. 

If your mags are spewing out the gas, sure sounds like something is not returning properly. Hop-up chamber is clean etc? Things are moving freely as intended? Maybe post some photos of the inside of your upper/lower? 

 

[Mr. No_Face]

Before you keep saying the TM MWS is pathetic, perhaps you ought to revert your gun to stock if you made any modifications, check components to see if theres something out of place. Considering how many people are in this thread, no one has called this platform garbage. Most, if not all GBB have plastic internals so I dont get your complaint here. 

If your mags are spewing out the gas, sure sounds like something is not returning properly. Hop-up chamber is clean etc? Things are moving freely as intended? Maybe post some photos of the inside of your upper/lower? 

I said the plastic internals were shit and I stand by that statement. I've had countless incidents in the past where gas expulsion has occurred with my Glock and additional GBB platforms and not once has it sheared off any piece of the nozzle or integrated components. The TM nozzle is being cut to shreds literally with each expulsion.

I've also stated numerous times that the gun is stock. I have done absolutely nothing to the internals except replace the charging handle and inspect the components after a series of malfunctions.

I don't care how many people say this is a great platform man, that's not my experience so far.(that could still change). I don't care if there's a "TM", "Krytac", "KWA", stamped on it, this is my 100% honest, unbiased opinion. 

 

[Davegolf]

Something is not right, I (and im sure many others will attest) have had many mag vent situations with their MWS's over the years, and like any other GBB they do not result in the nozzle or any mechanical parts being damaged or broken - just fecking cold ?

 

[Guest]

I have no idea, maybe the Gas used had too much pressure?? Vorsk V8 were the only ones the venue was selling at the time so everyone was using that. 

Tested one of the mags at home (still previously filled with Vorsk V8) after I'd installed the new nozzle and after 3 shots....BOOM... mag erupts spraying gas all over the place whilst sending shards of plastic out of the barrel.

 
Patrol Base says that is 190psi? If that’s the case, that’s your problem, the gun is designed to run on Duster Gas or equivalent, which is what, half that?

 

[Mr. No_Face]

Something is not right, I (and im sure many others will attest) have had many mag vent situations with their MWS's over the years, and like any other GBB they do not result in the nozzle or any mechanical parts being damaged or broken - just fecking cold ?

Just look at the break points. The 2nd break looks as if it was cut with the precision of a scalpel. So that's 3 gas vents and 3 breaks simultaneously.

View attachment 88345

View attachment 88346

Now unless firesupport have sold me a "Beijing Marui" made from the finest Chinesium on the market, I'd say that the plastic components are total bollocks.

 
Patrol Base says that is 190psi? If that’s the case, that’s your problem, the gun is designed to run on Duster Gas or equivalent, which is what, half that?

View attachment 88348

I've tested with these 3 and got 3 vents leading to more damage. I'm going try the actual "Tokyo marui" recommended low pressure gas from here on out.

 

[Guest]

Just look at the break points. The 2nd break looks as if it was cut with the precision of a scalpel. So that's 3 gas vents and 3 breaks simultaneously.

View attachment 88345

View attachment 88346

Now unless firesupport have sold me a "Beijing Marui" made from the finest Chinesium on the market, I'd say that the plastic components are total bollocks.

View attachment 88348

I've tested with these 3 and got 3 vents leading to more damage. I'm going try the actual "Tokyo marui" recommended low pressure gas from here on out.

each with a new nozzle? Or the same one?

Its VERY likely you’ve damaged something seriously using the V8, and now the gun won’t work.

Have you inspected all of the internal and external components for damage?

 

[Mr. No_Face]

each with a new nozzle? Or the same one?

Both the TM and alleged "DP reinforced nozzle" which actually turned out to be the same piece of plastic trash - rebranded and sold for an extortionate price.

 

[Wavey_Gravey]

How well does the bolt cycle? Smooth, sticky or feel like there’s resistance?

Like the previous page, take that charging handle out and try it with the original.

 

[Guest]

Both the TM and alleged "DP reinforced nozzle" which actually turned out to be the same piece plastic trash - rebranded and sold for an extortionate price.

Sorry, that’s not clear. Did you use the same components to test the lower pressure gas after the V8, or did you replace everything that broke?

And have you inspected the whole gun for damage?

I get that you’re p****d off, but up until now, the only issues anybody in this thread, or anywhere else that I have  ever read about, or talked to, is the nozzle return spring breaking through fatigue.

Hard as it is to stomach, it is VERY likely you’ve broken something or more than one something using the V8 gas.

It could be something straightforward like the gas release valves in the mags now allowing far to much pressure into the gun, or something way more serious like scored internal components, or actually cracked components.

All of that will put pressure on standard components and cause them to break again, and again, and again.

Sorry dude, but it’s not the gun, it’s something you’ve done, and until you realise that and put it right, you’re not going to fix the problem 

Like the previous page, take that charging handle out and try it with the original.

@Mr. No_Face You said it was umodified ??‍ 

 

[Davegolf]

Just look at the break points. The 2nd break looks as if it was cut with the precision of a scalpel. So that's 3 gas vents and 3 breaks simultaneously.

View attachment 88345

View attachment 88346

Now unless firesupport have sold me a "Beijing Marui" made from the finest Chinesium on the market, I'd say that the plastic components are total bollocks.

View attachment 88348

I've tested with these 3 and got 3 vents leading to more damage. I'm going try the actual "Tokyo marui" recommended low pressure gas from here on out.

Looking at your breakage, it is right behind the rocket valve, this is significant, it means a shot was was fired, the rocket valve closed on BB exiting the barrel, next the bolt SHOULD travel back and turn off/reset the valve knocker turning off the gas supply, THIS CLEARLY HASNT HAPPENED - your bolt has not moved back for whatever reason, so the nozzle has been blown up - magazines are not made of nozzle plastic becasue they are not intended to store the full pressure of the gas, just transport it.

I would wager the problem is in your BCG/upper recevier somewhere.

PS IMHO the only decent upgrade nozzle is the Guns Modify grey.

But really the standard nozzle (and all internals) are capable of withstanding all airsoft gas types provided you have the correct buffer spring and a HSB installe dto handle the cycle speeds.

You know in films you always see guy repeatidly racking and working the action dry, same thing with a GBB, everything has to move fluidly otherwise you just have a gas bomb

 

[Mr. No_Face]

Sorry dud

@Mr. No_Face You said it was umodified ??‍ 

Can you explain in detail how placing a charging handle into this rig (a swap out job) could possibly impact the system like this? I'm all ears. 

Looking at your breakage, it is right behind the rocket valve, this is significant, it means a shot was was fired, the rocket valve closed on BB exiting the barrel, next the bolt SHOULD travel back and turn off/reset the valve knocker turning off the gas supply, THIS CLEARLY HASNT HAPPENED - your bolt has not moved back for whatever reason, so the nozzle has been blown up - magazines are not made of nozzle plastic becasue they are not intended to store the full pressure of the gas, just transport it.

I would wager the problem is in your BCG/upper recevier somewhere.

PS IMHO the only decent upgrade nozzle is the Guns Modify grey.

But really the standard nozzle (and all internals) are capable of withstanding all airsoft gas types provided you have the correct buffer spring and a HSB installe dto handle the cycle speeds.

The rocket valve is exposed literally because it was cut down from each gas vent. Bit by bit from right to left. The parts were sheared off leaving it exposed. Can the rocket valve still be the initial reason for the gas vents even when that wasn't the initial site of the damage?

 

[Davegolf]

If the charging handle causes the BCG to bind what i described above will happen.

The nozzle looks to have sheared around the larger diameter portion of the nozzle (behind the rocket valve)

Regardless trying to hypothesize something that happened in a nano second is a waste of time really.

Put the gun COMPLETELY back to stock, fit a complete new TM or GM nozzle.

Check everything moves and functions independently as it should.

Half fill a mag with weak sauce gas and test it.

 

[Guest]

an you explain in detail how placing a charging handle into this rig (a swap out job) could possibly impact the system like this? I'm all ears

Exactly what @Davegolf, and everybody else has said.

Put it back to standard. Test it properly after a thorough check

Bite the bullet and admit you’ve messed up something or you’ll never get it fixed.

Personal growth is  wonderful thing

 

[Davegolf]

Yes men are obsessed with personal growth ?