THE TM MWS thread

[SSPKali]

I had an older DP nozzle self destruct, this was an older shiny (and brittle) plastic. Newer ones seem more of a matt finish and currently out living the previous one.

I would look to grab 2 or 3 TM ones from FireSupport / Eagle6 / JKarmy who ever has them in stock. Happy hunting.

WTF? Exploding mag?!

 

[Mr. No_Face]

Had the same thing happen to me with my MWS, after 500 rounds the nozzle broke. I couldn't find anything to replace it with at the time apart from Angry Gun (I know the QC of AG is a bit dodgy, but at the time there was no alternative stock).

I'm 2000 rounds into the AG drop in reinforced nozzle, and "so far" it's working a treat. Maybe worth a go if the other ones keep busting?

2000 rounds in is still very early to be content. I won't be surprised if the nozzle is reaching it's final days. I've heard stories of angry gun components being shoddy but the TM internals are no different, Just as cheap and trash imo. So using the AG one shouldn't be too much different from the stock ones. The "reinforced nozzle" was no different from the TM one they even weighed the same. 

I had an older DP nozzle self destruct, this was an older shiny (and brittle) plastic. Newer ones seem more of a matt finish and currently out living the previous one.

I would look to grab 2 or 3 TM ones from FireSupport / Eagle6 / JKarmy who ever has them in stock. Happy hunting.

The fact that I have to do that urks me. Is this platform really worth the hassle after already forking out 500 pounds for it? Is it even really that good or is it mostly hype?

I thought I had bad luck when I got mine, losing the hop click spring then busting the nozzle return spring, but I think you've got me beat ?

I always say Impulse 101 but I'm not sure that they can do UK deliveries atm. Get a bunch of stock alerts set up and buy a couple of everything! Good luck with it dude 

Yeah. it's starting to get to that point where I don't think I can see myself in possession of this rif for too much longer. Come to think of it. It's actually not surprising that you can always find one on a used airsoft site, second hand with a billion upgrades.

 

[C-Diddy]

2000 rounds in is still very early to be content. I won't be surprised if the nozzle is reaching it's final days. I've heard stories of angry gun components being shoddy but the TM internals are no different, Just as cheap and trash imo. So using the AG one shouldn't be too much different from the stock ones. The "reinforced nozzle" was no different from the TM one they even weighed the same. 

The fact that I have to do that urks me. Is this platform really worth the hassle after already forking out 500 pounds for it? Is it even really that good or is it mostly hype?

Yeah. it's starting to get to that point where I don't think I can see myself in possession of this rif for too much longer. Come to think of it. It's actually not surprising that you can always find one on a used airsoft site, second hand with a billion upgrades.

Don't get too disheartened. Airsoft is one of those hobbies where, sadly, the odds of our new toys lasting long before something goes pop is never more than 50/50, even with AEGs.

The biggest pain in the arse right now is the lack of available parts, for whatever reason. I liken us having GBBRs to people who tinker with  classic/vintage cars or motorbikes; you know they require more maintenance, parts and overall TLC, but fuck me when they perform they are so satisfying. 

 

[AlphaBear]

Well most people know my story about my nozzle. But for those new folk on here mine buggered up big Roger style only because I stupidly used Nuprol bbs which shattered in the chamber and then there was a train wreck of bbs which ended up distorting the lip of the nozzle. Long story short I bought an AG npas nozzle which if I’m being honest I can’t fault. However I’m back to using my TM nozzles and so far so good. 

 

[SSPKali]

Nozzles, nozzle springs, gas and BBs are all consumables in the MWS world. As C-Diddy says treat it as a classic car / high performance car and accept a level of tinkering, with what is ultimately a toy.

At the end of the day there is less to go wrong and when it does it is easier to fix than an AEG with the bonus that some POS Lipo isn’t going to self-immolate at a random point ?

 

[Khyber]

I'm loving that analogy. I totally relate to that. Like i mentioned about this sunday, mine started to jam as I forgot to clean and regrease it after my last game. My fault. But now have done all that, man, the BCG slides like butter. It's unfortunate you are having such a hard time, but think of it this way... you have now learned several new things on fixing your MWS that you don't have to pay a tech to do. You will be proficient at fixing in no time 

 

[shrwd]

Has anyone made a guide of the general maintenance and cleaning required for the MWS?

 

[Mr. No_Face]

Don't get too disheartened. Airsoft is one of those hobbies where, sadly, the odds of our new toys lasting long before something goes pop is never more than 50/50, even with AEGs.

The biggest pain in the arse right now is the lack of available parts, for whatever reason. I liken us having GBBRs to people who tinker with  classic/vintage cars or motorbikes; you know they require more maintenance, parts and overall TLC, but fuck me when they perform they are so satisfying. 

There's lasting long and there's failure to perform from the get go. Which this rif has done. I've had this for around 3 weeks now. It performed one time very well during testing at my local field and since then it hasn't performed well. In fact my VFC Glock17 out performed it by miles last Saturday, I was getting consistent bolt locks and sluggish cycles before a double feed ended up destroying the nozzle, rendering it useless. Yesterday new one arrives, mag explodes and destroys nozzle again. I've had 2 mags erupt in my VFC Glock gen 17 and the internals are not remotely damaged. 

Also none of the AEG's I've owned have failed on me. They've jammed but were never rendered out of commission and I airsoft sometimes twice a week, every week. 

The only  reason I sold my TK45c  was because it became uncomfortable to carry due to the uneven weight disparity and I needed money for a GBBR. 

I really hope it's uphill from here because I really want this RIF to perform. I would absolutely love to run a GBBR all year round as I said before but Jesus Christ man.....

Just just bought an RA TECH NPAS from firesupport so I'm not gonna give up on this GBBR just yet. 

 

[AlphaBear]

How did the mag explode? What happened there? 

 

[Mr. No_Face]

How did the mag explode? What happened there? 

I have no idea, maybe the Gas used had too much pressure?? Vorsk V8 were the only ones the venue was selling at the time so everyone was using that. 

Tested one of the mags at home (still previously filled with Vorsk V8) after I'd installed the new nozzle and after 3 shots....BOOM... mag erupts spraying gas all over the place whilst sending shards of plastic out of the barrel.

 

[Davegolf]

Has anyone made a guide of the general maintenance and cleaning required for the MWS?

Seriously go back like 3 pages, Page 238 to be specific.

 

[Davegolf]

@Mr. No_Face I think you need to be a bit more matter of fact.

With that in mind, when you say ‘mag erupts’ do you mean it vented all the gas out the exit valve?

Or it sprayed all the BB’s into the receiver?

The MWS is a fine RIF, and as is the case with all GBB’s their function is a complete balancing act.

If you change one thing it will have knock on effects.

As you are new to the MWS I’m pretty sure it’s more you learning about it than it bing a crap product

The most likely cause of a jam/double feed in the MWS is crap ammo or bio BB’s that are old / swollen.

(other less likely cause is swollen bucking, too much hop)

The most like cause of gas dump is overfilling of the mag, basically the exit valve ices up and it won’t shut off.

(other cause is dry piston seal stopping full cycle which in turn doesn’t knock off/reset the gas knocker)

You should weigh the gas into your mags, this will give the ultimate reliability and shot fps consistency.

 

[Mr. No_Face]

@Mr. No_Face I think you need to be a bit more matter of fact.

With that in mind, when you say ‘mag erupts’ do you mean it vented all the gas out the exit valve?

Or it sprayed all the BB’s into the receiver?

The MWS is a fine RIF, and as is the case with all GBB’s their function is a complete balancing act.

If you change one thing it will have knock on effects.

As you are new to the MWS I’m pretty sure it’s more you learning about it than it bing a crap product

The most likely cause of a jam/double feed in the MWS is crap ammo or bio BB’s that are old / swollen.

(other less likely cause is swollen bucking, too much hop)

The most like cause of gas dump is overfilling of the mag, basically the exit valve ices up and it won’t shut off.

(other cause is dry piston seal stopping full cycle which in turn doesn’t knock off/reset the gas knocker)

You should weigh the gas into your mags, this will give the ultimate reliability and shot fps consistency.

• I mean, Vented gas out at such a trajectory that sends shards out the barrel and leaves the nozzle mangled or damaged.
  
• I've been using devil blaster BBs and Ares amoeba Diamond Precision BBs for the most.
  
• I've also binged watched Ollie talks Airsoft  and have filled my mags according to how he recommends. (Fill until gas starts spurting) then weigh on my portable scale. 
  

That's the scary part of this. 

 

[AlphaBear]

I have no idea, maybe the Gas used had too much pressure?? Vorsk V8 were the only ones the venue was selling at the time so everyone was using that. 

Tested one of the mags at home (still previously filled with Vorsk V8) after I'd installed the new nozzle and after 3 shots....BOOM... mag erupts spraying gas all over the place whilst sending shards of plastic out of the barrel.

Crikey! that's bonkers... I've never known anything like that.... My case was that I had a Nuprol BB jam as one shattered with the force of the bolt and then I ended up with a BB train which culminated in a puff of gas (quite dramatic as a matter of fact). I had bb's stuck in the hop unit in fact all over the place.. But that failure was solely due to the Nuprol BB's and me constantly trying to recycle the bolt not knowing what the heck I was doing at the time... 

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For all intents and purposes as Dave has mentioned the MWS is really a refined lady when it comes to GBBR's. Like all things it has it's niggles but generally it's bullet proof in that respect. It's also a learning curve like many people on this forum have found me included. Lube all the parts that need lubing.... look at the maintenance guide which Dave posted a few pages back.... and try Abbey Predator gas the one in the green can for when the temp is over 22c and red can when under 22c... It works very well. 

 

[costpershot]

Hey guys. Received my TM MWS (mk18) yesterday and happy to be joining the MWS gang. I swapped out the stock grip today for a magpul K2 and noticed alot of wobble after some use. Attached is what I see after removing the grip.

I'm super disappointed (mostly at myself, I assume I may have over-torqued the bolt?) but am I totally screwed here? Do I have any options other than replacing the entire lower frame? I also assume this is not something TM's warranty would cover since it happened during a modification. 

Any help/insight would be much appreciated.

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[AlphaBear]

Hey guys. Received my TM MWS (mk18) yesterday and happy to be joining the MWS gang. I swapped out the stock grip today for a magpul K2 and noticed alot of wobble after some use. Attached is what I see after removing the grip.

I'm super disappointed (mostly at myself, I assume I may have over-torqued the bolt?) but am I totally screwed here? Do I have any options other than replacing the entire lower frame? I also assume this is not something TM's warranty would cover since it happened during a modification. 

Any help/insight would be much appreciated.

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Crikey fella! Did you eat too much spinach or something? Sadly TM will not cover that. In fact you can seldom make a warranty claim as the RIF would only be covered by the retailer if it was indeed a manufacturing error. Luckily I believe someone is selling a lower receiver in the classifieds on here. I suggest grabbing it if it’s available. 

 

[C-Diddy]

Hey guys. Received my TM MWS (mk18) yesterday and happy to be joining the MWS gang. I swapped out the stock grip today for a magpul K2 and noticed alot of wobble after some use. Attached is what I see after removing the grip.

I'm super disappointed (mostly at myself, I assume I may have over-torqued the bolt?) but am I totally screwed here? Do I have any options other than replacing the entire lower frame? I also assume this is not something TM's warranty would cover since it happened during a modification. 

Any help/insight would be much appreciated.

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Wow! I think you may have used just a smidge more torque than necessary.

Out of interest, did you use the bolt that came with the grip or the original TM one? Everything I read said to use the OG bolt. That worked like a charm when I fitted my MOE+ grip, and I'm generally heavy-handed. 

As Alpha said, look for that lower in the classifieds and best of luck ? 

 

[alxndrhll]

Hey guys. Received my TM MWS (mk18) yesterday and happy to be joining the MWS gang. I swapped out the stock grip today for a magpul K2 and noticed alot of wobble after some use. Attached is what I see after removing the grip.

I'm super disappointed (mostly at myself, I assume I may have over-torqued the bolt?) but am I totally screwed here? Do I have any options other than replacing the entire lower frame? I also assume this is not something TM's warranty would cover since it happened during a modification. 

Any help/insight would be much appreciated.

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I’d probably give gluing the nut in a place a shot before spending out for a new lower. Slap some JB Weld (or whatever your super strong choice of swaz may be) on the edges of the nut which contact the notch, then feed the grip on slightly and start threading the bolt on. This should ensure you’re lined up, once the adhesive has cured pop the grip all the way on and see how happy you are. Obviously you could just slap a heap of glue on the lot and slam the grip all the way on, but I suspect that grip is essentially a permanent addition at that point.

 

[Jacket]

I just sold my lower with trigger mech, the buyer only wanted the trigger and body pins so may be willing to sell the lower @zehave

 

[Davegolf]

@costpershot looks like your cost per shot is damn expensive ?

Seriously if you send me the lower I can drill and tap a repair plate on to make the nut captive again.

Ultimately though if you can get another lower cheap that is best.

Was the grip a clone?

They normal fit up pretty snug with zero movement - eg the bolt only literally holds it on, otherwise the large mating face takes all of the loading and stress.