Umarex/VFC/Elite Force MP7 AEG - Any info?

[ryaw]

So it turns out LW still have 2 Umarex MP7's left in stock for sale by phone or in store only, according to their Facebook post by earlier. Not on their website. Don't ask me why, but act quickly if you want one. No spare mags yet though.

 

[Rogerborg]

No spare mags yet though.

OK, it's time to get all 2004 on this debacle.

 

[Joe 2.0]

Amerikanski spijion here, but I did get my hands on one yesterday at my local arena/shop, and placed it on layaway.  $400USD MAP stateside, spare mags a-plenty. Feels good in the hand, 28 RPS, FPS wasn’t exactly mentioned, but stateside batch’s FPS is higher than CQB limit (350FPS) on field-sold .20’s. 

If you have a friend stateside, I would convince them to ship the gun to you w/mags because my ghettomath tells me that the gun is equivalent to €356 over here, and mags are equivalent to €26, which seems a far sight better than the wallet sodomy you guys are enduring.

 

[Rogerborg]

So you pay your £420, turn up with your one mag.... and fail chrono because it's making 360-380 fps.

Just... no.  No.

I wonder how much you actually have to spend to get a skirmishable toy gun with a usable amount of mags?

 

[FreeFrag.UK]

1 hour ago, Rogerborg said:

So you pay your £420, turn up with your one mag.... and fail chrono because it's making 360-380 fps.

There's not much that can be said for this train wreck in my opinion.

 

[PopRocket123]

There's not much that can be said for this train wreck in my opinion.

It should have been such an easy success. Here's a gun people have been asking for for ages so guaranteed sales, it's a CQB gun so only needs to be capable of 350 FPS maximum, honestly they could have gotten away with it being 1J, proprietary magazines anyway so take the opportunity to include last round cut off. Instead we get an overpriced gun if you can actually find one in stock, shooting hot for no reason and about as many magazines available as there are guns

 

[Rogerborg]

Oh, and I see this is a popular desire.

Once they've done that, let's have an AEG Uzi next

 

[Musica]

glad i didnt wait and got the evo.

strange fps

 

[Wo1f]

And that’s why you buy the Tm gbbr mp7. For £420 you can buy the gun and a handful of mags. And I’d bet my life it would shoot better. 

 

[Rogerborg]

[Landwarrior link]

Also FPS has been changed from 360 to 300 on their page on 0.20g bbs 

And it's still showing as "expected to perform around 300FPS (with 0.20g bb's)".

If I'm laying down £420 on a gun that cries out to be used in CQB, I'd want to know what that specific gun is shooting at, not what it's "expected" to shoot at.  PatrolBase chrono their guns and supply the results with them, even their cheapest CYMAs.

I've shot one at Landwarrior 2 weeks ago. Construction felt solid. It looked good, had a nice range of stock extension, shot accurately, with quick trigger response and had a high ROF on an 11.1v lipo. 330FPS

I wonder if there are different batches kicking around, or if LandWarrior have changed or chopped the springs in theirs?  380fps is 33% more energy than 330, it's not the sort of variation I'd expect to see by accident.

Come on, CYMA or JG, get with the cloning.  I'll have a quick change or adjustable spring while we're at it.

 

[clumpyedge]

And it's still showing as "expected to perform around 300FPS (with 0.20g bb's)".

If I'm laying down £420 on a gun that cries out to be used in CQB, I'd want to know what that specific gun is shooting at, not what it's "expected" to shoot at.  PatrolBase chrono their guns and supply the results with them, even their cheapest CYMAs.

I wonder if there are different batches kicking around, or if LandWarrior have changed or chopped the springs in theirs?  380fps is 33% more energy than 330, it's not the sort of variation I'd expect to see by accident.

Come on, CYMA or JG, get with the cloning.  I'll have a quick change or adjustable spring while we're at it.

So my friend has just bought one and awaiting delivery from Powair6. They offer two versions the 330 fps for CQB and a 380 FPS I'm assuming they offer as an "other skirmish type" gun. Will wait for him to say how it performs but we are both expecting that changing the hop rubber/nub will be straight off the bat but other than that should be pretty formidable and a contender against the gas versions.

 

[Rogerborg]

They offer two versions the 330 fps for CQB and a 380 FPS

Ah, thanks. 0.5J, 1J and "full power" versions: https://www.powair6.com/en/220-smg

The lower power versions are indeed shop downgraded, for an extra 10 Euros.  Good on them for offering that service.

 

[PopRocket123]

So my friend has just bought one and awaiting delivery from Powair6. They offer two versions the 330 fps for CQB and a 380 FPS I'm assuming they offer as an "other skirmish type" gun. Will wait for him to say how it performs but we are both expecting that changing the hop rubber/nub will be straight off the bat but other than that should be pretty formidable and a contender against the gas versions.

Apparently it's an aluminium inner barrel which on a premium gun is absurd so that's going to want changing out as well 

 

[clumpyedge]

Ah, thanks. 0.5J, 1J and "full power" versions: https://www.powair6.com/en/220-smg

The lower power versions are indeed shop downgraded, for an extra 10 Euros.  Good on them for offering that service.

Apparently it's an aluminium inner barrel which on a premium gun is absurd so that's going to want changing out as well 

So news in from my mate,

Using google earth for rough distances out the box on .28's hes getting about 45-50m from it. I think hes planning on changing the barrel and hop rubber/nub but not in the immediate future.

 

[PopRocket123]

So news in from my mate,

Using google earth for rough distances out the box on .28's hes getting about 45-50m from it. I think hes planning on changing the barrel and hop rubber/nub but not in the immediate future.

As long as it's a standard AEG inner barrel so I can still r hop it is all I care about

 

[clumpyedge]

As long as it's a standard AEG inner barrel so I can still r hop it is all I care about

Will find out from him when he opens it up and report back.

 

[1st commando]

It should have been such an easy success. Here's a gun people have been asking for for ages so guaranteed sales, it's a CQB gun so only needs to be capable of 350 FPS maximum, honestly they could have gotten away with it being 1J, proprietary magazines anyway so take the opportunity to include last round cut off. Instead we get an overpriced gun if you can actually find one in stock, shooting hot for no reason and about as many magazines available as there are guns

Not everybody in the world uses 350 fps so some regions specifically want more 

The magazines have last round cut off 

Spare mags are now fully available in the market for local distributors to buy 

That said i'll stick to my GBB 

 

[CrackCommandoUnit1972]

Oh, and I see this is a popular desire.

Who doesn't love an Uzi? I'd get two and go full on Chuck Norris.

 

[Rogerborg]

Not everybody in the world uses 350 fps so some regions specifically want more 

Indeed, which is why CYMAs tend to come in nearer 400fps as stock.

But if you buy a CYMA in the UK from PatrolBase, it will come downgraded to under 350fps, with chrono results.  TaiwanGun and GunFire will also both cheerfully downgrade AEGs to 1J or so.  And that's the cheapest guns that they sell.

UK sellers should not be selling a ~380fps CQB gun in the UK, because for one thing, it's perilously close to being over 1.3J and therefore not an airsoft gun.

I'd expect them to offer to downgrade it, and at an absolute minimum to be crystal clear up front that it'll likely need work to be usable.  To still list it as "around 300fps" is a cad's trick, especially at that eye watering price.

 

[1st commando]

Indeed, which is why CYMAs tend to come in nearer 400fps as stock.

But if you buy a CYMA in the UK from PatrolBase, it will come downgraded to under 350fps, with chrono results.  TaiwanGun and GunFire will also both cheerfully downgrade AEGs to 1J or so.  And that's the cheapest guns that they sell.

UK sellers should not be selling a ~380fps CQB gun in the UK, because for one thing, it's perilously close to being over 1.3J and therefore not an airsoft gun.

I'd expect them to offer to downgrade it, and at an absolute minimum to be crystal clear up front that it'll likely need work to be usable.  To still list is at "around 300fps" is a cad's trick, especially at that eye watering price.

Agreed they should chrono the batch and put the actual approximate fps online