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UCAP New rules updated today. No Binary triggers or shitty m4 mags on pistols.

Cannonfodder said:
I've heard of a few sites which ask players not to retrieve spent BFGs till after the area isn't contested.
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Truth to tell I've been asked not to do it, face to face, at a local site.  I'm happy to comply with any reasonable request from a marshal, but in this case I politely pointed out that BFGs had been repeatedly stolen at another local CQB site, and there was no way I was leaving it there.  Shrug from the marshal, so I waited for a gap in the action and went in, gun slung, shouts of "Dead man", lots of hand-waving.  In that case, I picked up the BFG then tailed on the end of a queue of their own dead players heading towards their respawn, before going the long way back to mine.  Reasonable people can find reasonable ways of doing things.

Alternatively, I'm also happy to just stand there and get shot indefinitely in order to keep an eye on pyro. Unless the site is fine with paying for losses that can be attributed to their own policy then, no, I'm not leaving BFGs lying around.

 
I am not a fan of the owner, but there's a few things I consider. 

He did serve his time, agree with the sentence or not the whole point of our justice system is that people get punished for doing naughty things and then should rehabilitate. There's an awful lot of stolen mod kit about, most is very low level(pairs of glasses etc), he just went to the extremes and got punished for it. I understand that they went after his finances as well via the tax man. 

With his diagnosis, it doesn't excuse what he did etc. but considering how awful it is, I don't think he needs a rougher time of it so I'll avoid any personal comments. 

I actually really appreciate their stance on subjects like 2 tones, binary triggers and pistols with high cap m4 mags. They championed the opinion against 2 tones to their financial detriment. They make money off people attending their sites and by implementing that rule they have fewer players, I am sure whatever "extras" they have made from more rentals or kit sold onsite, it isn't offset by the numbers that don't attend. Their principle was that 2 tone wasn't right and they stuck by that principle and were willing to take the hit to the wallet. Whether you agree with their principle or not, I do admire the conviction(boom boom) to stick to their ideals on it. 

Personally, not a fan of the idea of binary triggers (no idea if I have ever come up against one, normally these things are based on whether the person who has it is a knob or not) and pistols with high cap m4 mags, it's just not for me and if a local site had that rule I would see it as a reason to attend. I don't like speedsoft, if people do that's fine but the fact there is choice in the market is a good thing. If you want to speedsoft etc then great, go to sites that do it or allow that style, if you don't, I'd like there to be somewhere to go that applies suitable rules. More choice and variation of games, styles etc to me is very welcome, even if it means there are events, sites etc that I end up not wanting to attend. 

BFGs, had 3 for over 6 years and frankly they have saved me over £1000 in pyro, never had one stolen and I regularly leave them to the end of the game. Maybe I have been lucky or the sites I have attended have been ultra honest. even if they did get stolen I'd still be quids in (though annoyed!). However they do get stolen, I would hazard a guess that the rule is there so marshalls can step in and prevent dead players ruining firefights to collect their bfgs, if the area isn't in contact I can't see collecting used bfgs would be an issue. Have a strict rule in writing, then you can be flexible, don't have the rule at all and it can't be enforced when needed. 

Just my 2 pence worth.  

 
Dragon Valley never allowed repainted two tones because, if I recall correctly, "by repainting a two tone you're effectively manufacturing a RIF".

 
MAX DICKER said:
Dragon Valley never allowed repainted two tones because, if I recall correctly, "by repainting a two tone you're effectively manufacturing a RIF".
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By painting a 2 tone you are modifying into a RIF, which is a VCRA offence.  But in the current legislation can be tied to a VCRA defence 

In the original VCR bill it was an explicit offence with no defence

 
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He sold stolen high value military kit very true BUT he wasn’t the one stealing it was he ? having served I can quite happily say the military are absolutely atrocious at securing kit and 90% of squaddies are thieving barstuards given half a chance when it comes to other peoples unattended kit and would happily sell the gold fillings from your teeth if they saw the opportunity !?  

He was the middle man(no excuse for what he did) but he served his time chapter closed . 

immaterial of whether the UCAP ‘rules’ are good or bad they’ve ALWAYS given a reason why and stuck by them , not many sites do that .

with BFG’s it’s just you don't chuck it in a room and then immediately go straight in shouting your coming to get your ‘nade back !(think it’s safe to say we’ve all seen this happen?‍♂️) you just have to wait a couple of minutes till the gameplay has moved on from that point before you retrieve it .

 
Druid799 said:
just you don't chuck it in a room and then immediately go straight in shouting your coming to get your ‘nade back !(think it’s safe to say we’ve all seen this happen?‍♂️) you just have to wait a couple of minutes till the gameplay has moved on from that point before you retrieve it .
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This. Unfortunately while 99% of people will be sensible, there's always that one throbber who fucks things up for everyone else

 
+1 on this, while I don't agree with the thieving, he got caught & suitably punished. 

But to somehow infer that his his subsequent MND diagnosis was in some way Karma for his previous actions, it's not Karma, its just the worst luck in the world. 

In my very personal experience, MND, as well as the worst forms of aggressive cancers doesn't happen to bad people, quite the opposite in fact, they seem to be the burden of the good guys, the literal salt of the earth. 

Anyway, back on track guys?

Druid799 said:
He sold stolen high value military kit very true BUT he wasn’t the one stealing it was he ? having served I can quite happily say the military are absolutely atrocious at securing kit and 90% of squaddies are thieving barstuards given half a chance when it comes to other peoples unattended kit and would happily sell the gold fillings from your teeth if they saw the opportunity !?  

He was the middle man(no excuse for what he did) but he served his time chapter closed . 

immaterial of whether the UCAP ‘rules’ are good or bad they’ve ALWAYS given a reason why and stuck by them , not many sites do that .

with BFG’s it’s just you don't chuck it in a room and then immediately go straight in shouting your coming to get your ‘nade back !(think it’s safe to say we’ve all seen this happen?‍♂️) you just have to wait a couple of minutes till the gameplay has moved on from that point before you retrieve it .
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It's just a curious position to ban two-tones because you don't want to invite unwanted attention to the hobby, while at the same time flogging stolen MOD kit. ?

I can see why it made sense in 2006 before the VCRA kinks had been worked out, but in CURRENT_YEAR, when just about every site welcome IFs, it's rather Quixotic. I'd wonder what the position is on other non-RIFs like the APS UAR, or Pulse Rifles.

Emergencychimps said:
. Have a strict rule in writing, then you can be flexible, don't have the rule at all and it can't be enforced when needed.
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Respectfully, I have to disagree, that's a great way to highlight that none of the "rules" actually matter.

I'd far rather see sites make clear distinctions between recommendation ("should") and rules ("must").  It's cringe standing through a non-brief briefing being read the riot act pre-emptively, knowing that most of what's being said is a literal waste of everybody's time because it's not going to be enforced.

 
Rogerborg said:
can see why it made sense in 2006 before the VCRA kinks had been worked out, but in CURRENT_YEAR, when just about every site welcome IFs, it's rather Quixotic. I'd wonder what the position is on other non-RIFs like the APS UAR, or Pulse Rifles.
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Many moons ago when the subject was being discussed the general consensus was the previous point about retailers getting around the VCR and even to use the most hackneyed of excuses for bad play “but we are just grown men running around shooting each other with toy guns !”?‍♂️ They REALLY do look like toy guns and stand out like a pimple on a babies arse ? As to pulse rifles/UAR’s/etc they are facsimiles of supposed real guns and to none gun nut members of joe public that’s what they are ? 

 
Andy has run UCAP for the last decade in a specific way: Exactly the way he wants to.

He doesn't hesitate to banning players that are consistently shite, or banning things that he thinks makes the gameplay of the day, or Airsoft itself, more shite.

Works quite well!

 
Druid799 said:
Many moons ago when the subject was being discussed the general consensus was the previous point about retailers getting around the VCR and even to use the most hackneyed of excuses for bad play “but we are just grown men running around shooting each other with toy guns !”?‍♂️ They REALLY do look like toy guns and stand out like a pimple on a babies arse ? As to pulse rifles/UAR’s/etc they are facsimiles of supposed real guns and to none gun nut members of joe public that’s what they are ? 
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To your average housewife, an M41a is a fully semi automatic AK47, which therefore makes you a terrorist.

 
colinjallen said:
Their site, their thieving cunt of a site owner.  If people don't like it then they can go elsewhere.
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Now i may be mis-remembering, but didn't he also cause some shit on Facebook by making homophobic remarks - something about p90 users?

 
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