Trump

[Cheeserush]

As I think most people will agree the Trump victory was a shock to say the least! I'm curious as to what peoples opinions are on his victory.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Was it really a shock victory? The media and polls fail to take into account issues that many citizens (the silent majority) care about and influence their vote. Considering the other candidate and after 8 years of a weak president/administration anything has to be better. Rather like Marmite, you either like or dislike it.

Good luck to the President elect who will face difficulties to 'make America great again'.

"America will no longer settle for anything less than the best. We must reclaim our country's destiny and dream big and bold and daring. We have to do that. We're going to dream of things for our country, and beautiful things and successful things once again."

 

[Sacarathe]

This is the outcome I expected, and but for the vacant, and soon to be vacant, supreme court seats i'd have been in support of this result. Hillary is so creepy.

 

[karl_liverpool]

Good on him. Black eye for the political elite. I hope he does as he said and puts the power back in the peoples hands. Sadly that's lacking in Britain now since a court can over rule the will of the people here.

 

[Sacarathe]

Sadly that's lacking in Britain now since a court can over rule the will of the people here.

You are joking right? That case has NOTHING to do with the will of the people, its only about reiterating the balance of power.

 

[jcheeseright]

Good on him. Black eye for the political elite. I hope he does as he said and puts the power back in the peoples hands. Sadly that's lacking in Britain now since a court can over rule the will of the people here.

I think you'll find the court interpreted the LAW of this country as it's written in statute. The question asked of them was whether the govt can change British law without the permission of parliament - they can't.

The will of the people is fucking irrelevant when it comes to matters of law.

 

[karl_liverpool]

Not kidding. Parliament is there to do the will of the people. But a court can over turn the democratic process and put full control into the hands of politicians to decide if article 50 is activated or not since parliament gets to vote before anything.

My understanding is domacracy the government serve the people.

Where was those same courts when our law making was handed to Brussels then?

 

[Fumps]

***face palm***

 

[Sacarathe]

Not kidding. Parliament is there to do the will of the people. But a court can over turn the democratic process and put full control into the hands of politicians to decide if article 50 is activated or not since parliament gets to vote before anything.

My understanding is domacracy the government serve the people.

Where was those same courts when our law making was handed to Brussels then?

It sounds like you don't know what (or which country) you're talking about.

 

[Lozart]

Aaaaaanyway, Trumps victory was no surprise to me. A disappointment, yes but no surprise. The mainstream media and wholesale polling system has missed the point that there is a huge, quiet movement towards a more right wing world. The people that voted for Trump didn't tell the opinion polls because they were afraid of being ridiculed for associating with the man being reviled in the press. Same as Tory voters here. I'm sure there was an amount of "oh, he'll never win, I don't need to bother" in some of the more traditionally blue states too. Young people seem to have made protest votes by woting for a third party which was basically a wasted vote in the end (as most protest votes usually are). There is a massive number of people in the US that are fed up with the system being pushed towards a progressive society, a welfare state or as they see it - Communism. They want a return to the traditional values of America, where you succeed by working hard and "living the dream", they blame the failing economy on the political and intellectual elite and they see Trump as a way of shaking up the system. I wonder how closely post succession America will start to resemble post Brexit Britain once his actual term starts and his policies (whatever they ACTUALLY are) start making their presence felt....

 

[Sitting Duck]

To be honest - I did suspect the same - many saying jack but voting Trump at the actual polls

(interesting that most "expert polls" where about 2% out of whack towards Trump in the end)

I think who ever got to be POTUS will find it all crashes next year

The US Dollar is way too strong - not just against the £ but against Euro & most currencies

So the US trade deficit is going to increase meaning people will buy cheap imports until big duties/tax are placed on trade

and less US exports coz stuff is too expensive blah blah blah.....

Trade & Tourism economy will suffer/improve - impossible to keep it all balanced as way too many other world factors are involved

We are heading for a crash next year or 2018 - it is just the way it goes in peaks/troughs in 8-10 year cycles

I just think all the heavyweights money stars Wall St etc... behind Hilary and still she lost

She won't get sent down, running the country is going to be more important and tbh if she goes down Trump isn't so innocent either

Very shocked she couldn't face her supporters and sent a messenger to tell them to go home - jeeez maybe she had a bad turn/cough again ?

Think the world is in for a bumpy ride - this would likely to happen with or without Brexit Trump or any other crap hitting the fan

Think the world is starting to think rightly or wrongly - f*ck it, it don't seem to be so rosey lets try something else

2016 will be remembered as the year politics got a big kick up the ar$e

Let us just hope them countries didn't kick themselves in the bollocks

Only time will tell as the world is left with little option but to suck it & see how it all pans out

Final thought - If Tony Blair became a useless Peace Envoy for the Middle East.....

FFS don't think of sending over Nigel Farage to help with world peace negotiations - jeeeeeeeeez

 

[jcheeseright]

Not kidding. Parliament is there to do the will of the people. But a court can over turn the democratic process and put full control into the hands of politicians to decide if article 50 is activated or not since parliament gets to vote before anything.

My understanding is domacracy the government serve the people.

Where was those same courts when our law making was handed to Brussels then?

I suggest you spend less time reading the sun/express/mail and more time reading about how BRITISH LAW and BRITISH PARLIAMENT and BRITISH PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY actually work.

You seem confused.

 

[Bottledtorment]

I suggest you spend less time reading the sun/express/mail and more time reading about how BRITISH LAW and BRITISH PARLIAMENT and BRITISH PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY actually work.

You seem confused.

JC are you a wizard ?? You're half an hour ahead!?
Edit, it says 9:54 on the original post....

 

[jcheeseright]

 

[Esoterick]

I don't know why some people are under the illusion that politicians are going to suddenly start caring about people they supposedly represent(with the odd exception). Trump is a failed businessman who has only really been successful suing people. He will make sure he looks after his wealthy friends first with everyone else as an afterthought, just like UK government past and present, regardless of our EU membership.

 

[karl_liverpool]

I suggest you spend less time reading the sun/express/mail and more time reading about how BRITISH LAW and BRITISH PARLIAMENT and BRITISH PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY actually work.

You seem confused.

for one i don't read papers or watch BBC or sky news. They only tell u what they want u to know. But i do understand what the magna carta gave the people of Britain in the way of democracy and powers given to the people. One of which is the government and ministers are there to represent their constituents and to do their best to improve their constituency for the people.
My original point which was about the courts over ruling a public vote. I what ay would invoking article 50 be changing laws? The argument above states the judges decision is about changing laws which it wasn't it was about implementing article 50. And judges decided parliament has the final say on that matter. Nothing to do with laws.

Watch john Harris its an illusion and u will understand where I'm coming from with the double speak and slight of hand that is done to people daily.

The law system using multiple meaning for word used and they all hold power its a language called legalese. Any solicitors on here will know the oath taken is first and foremost to protect the crown and the bar.

 

[Sitting Duck]

Ahhh damn it....

you lot have been spared

just typed a big long War & Peace epic but lost it when laptop decided to throw a wobbly

(you have been spared I guessed)

Basically PM said Parliament will get to vote/approve the details on leaving EU

But triggering Article 50 is merely the start of negotiations to leave the EU

So starting the process should not require Parliament's approval as UK can not just leave the day #50 is triggered

#50 is merely just notifying the EU a member wishes to leave....

There is a lot of work & subject to approval/signing/terms before a member can finally leave & 2 years is merely a guideline

(can be less or can be extended)

Article 50 does not require approval by Parliament as it is not a final act or action on its own

otherwise we would be withdrawing from the EU upon triggering Article 50 - which is not the case

All EU laws remain in place blah blah blah, any changes AFTER we leave EU will be subject to Parliament approval blah x 3

Kind of daft & Gina Miller or People's Challenge is a front for the 1200+ CEO's & rich elite trying to delay or attempt to halt leaving EU

I can go on with other matters but PM has said Parliament will vote on the final terms we leave the EU

This is same as when Parliament passed the Acts for Scotland, Wales Acts & Good Friday Agreement

But triggering #50 is merely just the START of negotiations to leave the EU

on its own it does not pull UK straight out of EU with immediate effect with no further approval required

Therefore it should not need Parliament's approval......

That is why the court's decision is to be taken to the Supreme High Court

funny as before that, The House of Lords was the highest place to hold appeals

Bloody mess and more people getting involved - mainly lawyers just making a fortune trying to prolong the inevitable

 

[Sitting Duck]

ahh sod politics - I'm leaving it to the "experts"....

I mean - what's the worse that can happen...........

yup think I'm done on all this

 

[Infanteer]

I am very happy Trump won but I was also elated Obama won, didn't see all the change I was expecting when that happened and I had high hopes but as someone wisely pointed out above, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I am really hoping Trump shakes things up but time will tell.

I don't think Hilary will go down either, people are saying lock her up, I don't like her one bit but she is still entitled to due process and a legitimate/fair trial.

The leading elite are so out of touch with people, the internet is a god send and a lot of people are starting to wake up. The reason Hilary I believe did not make an appearance straight

away is that she was hit for six, she clearly was not expecting to be beaten, much less by so wide a gap in the electoral college votes. She probably sat in that hotel room shocked before having a massive out pour of emotion.

Hilary in my humble opinion was the worst of the two choices and yes Trump has said some pretty stupid s$%T but if I was there I would have voted for him. It is my hope that Trump will surround himself with politicians who have a clue and can advise him accordingly. I have some libertarian views but the movement over there short of Ron Paul is in my opinion not worth voting for and they don't have the numbers. I voted for a third party back home in Australia and the only reason I feel it wasn't a waste of a vote was because I had lost faith in my own political party that I normally support. The party I voted for did not win one seat.

Lozart was bang on with his analysis above. It is nice to see people discussing it without personal attacks. I've lost 7 facebook "friends" in the last 24 hrs and copped abuse from breakfast to @ssh0le. Oh well, no big deal.

 

[Roundel91]

End of the day hes got it. Whether you wanted him or hilary to win is irrelevant now.

I just hope that when hes sworn in he wont be the total disgusting excuse of a person that hes been made out to be during the campaign.

As a serving person in HM armed forces ill be very interested to see how things pan out on the world stage and how he will respond. Could be for the better, could be for the worse.

Still wont keep my hopes up.