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Apart from the trump thing ;)  I like what you have said.

Summed up what most people with an opinion have failed to notice by not being able to read between the lines due to the media and (anti)social media hype around it all. We would rather talk about some twat on a video offering out Danny dyer for having (for a change) quite a sensible opinion (if you actually see the whole interview in context rather than taking a snippet like the daily rags have) that look at the facts for what they are.

But this thread is gold. So many conversations blended into something which has gone quite off topic, not the only thread like this on here either at the mo. 

And so many comments I really want to jump on and things I want to challenge but this is not really the place and frankly I cannot be bothered :D  

At least I am kept amused at work reading everyones comments!.


I can explain the trump thing, it's not about the man, it's about the President. I've placed a very big bet (life savings big) on the outcome of something currently going through the US political system, which ultimately comes down to a decision to be made by donald trump. As a man, he's garbage, but as a President (who admitedly takes credit for things Obama did - and constantly attacks minorities and womens rights on behalf of Pence) of their administration he doesn't get a fair shake.

It's not a trial by media, she's openly said she didn't object and joined up. That's proof (and how most cases are won, self incrimination).


Okay, so she said she joined ISIS, where's the proof that she's not mistaken?

I'm not trying to poke holes in your position, in our society, proof (in terms of crime and punishment) is and should be down to the Courts of Law.

If I told you I murdered someone would that be good enough for you? It shouldn't be, but based on your words I'd have to presume it would be. That is (I'm not taking the mick) when I ask that where is the proof that the organisation she claims she joined was in fact the prohibited terrorist one she says she joined?

Joining a terrorist group AFAIK is illegal. That's enough for me. I don't object to people's objections to my views but that's my opinion and it's not changing anytime soon. I don't have the authority to stop or enforce any of this, however I don't object in this case. Like it or not.


FYI, you might say "well here it is", but I'm not a court of law so I really don't care whether such proof exists I only care whether the courts will accept it as fact - as I've made clear I'm all for appropriate punishment.

This girl is evidently lacking wit... but she hasn't said she is guilty of a crime.

I freely admit I don't know the law fully in regards to this case but I've had my fill of this topic. We'll just have to agree to disagree.


The specifics of the law don't really matter. Can you agree that a certain standard of proof should be required before punishment and someone saying they [believe they] did something isn't enough? Remember "I did it" =/= (does not equal) "I plead guilty".

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I should have read your post(s) before I replied.? So succinct.

Its strange as where she is and with the UK not seemingly giving a shit she is in a weird limbo and seems will never be held accountable for whatever laws she has or hasnt broke.. 


I'm just waiting for the political fireworks [in Britain] when she sneaks into Turkey (or the EU) and can't be deported because she's stateless. Or even better, is deported to Britain aha. ?

 
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LOL :lol: Poke away...

I'm not going to hypothesise on misc fantasy cases that have no relevance

nor how people are convicted with random what ifs.

I stand by my opinion and if you disagree that's fine.

 
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I stand by my opinion and if you disagree that's fine.


But you don't have an opinion, you appear to just believe [and repeat] what you're told. Not trying to provoke you. :)

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LOL :lol: Poke away...

I'm not going to hypothesise on misc fantasy cases that have no relevance

nor how people are convicted with random what ifs.

I stand by my opinion and if you disagree that's fine.


But they need to be convicted before being guilty.

Your saying she is guilty and others are calling for the death penalty but nothing has been put forward to determine guilt.

The death penalty was ended because it was flawed. Too many innocent people were put to death, yet here we are calling for her to be killed in front of the tower of London with tickets being sold and absolutely zero evidence to say she has done wrong, other than admit leaving the country and joining a terrorist group.

I want to see her membership card before I agree with this!! :P   

I am not trying to belittles anyone's opinion, or (back on topic a little ) 'offend' anyone. But the national outcry and polava this has all caused when she has not even been held accountable and all we really have are these stupid interviews which wouldn't stand up in court whatsoever as any useful evidence as we have no idea of what coercion if any or media influence has had on her answers is all stupid as she needs to be held accountable and charged, trialed and convicted before any guilt can be ascertained.

Surely this is a basic human right for anyone?

Otherwise we are ALL screwed!!

 
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Get a room you two :lol: I said I'm done with this topic. Jog on kitties.

 
     The fact is, we've never had so many kids trying to kill themselves, half of all girls cut themselves,
Serious question , in relation to self harm have you got any solid empirical evidence of this ? 

Reason I ask is I work in A&E and have done for a good few yrs and I’ve not seen a noticeable increase in the numbers I’m dealing with in that time . 

As to attempted suicides I do agree there are more happening but and it’s a very  important but I’ve also seen a very big increase in the numbers who've done it for the silliest of reasons and that I blame on social media and the ‘perfect celebrity’ culture we’re living in . 

 
@Immortal And yet here you are again. 

Serious question , in relation to self harm have you got any solid empirical evidence of this ? 

Reason I ask is I work in A&E and have done for a good few yrs and I’ve not seen a noticeable increase in the numbers I’m dealing with in that time . 

As to attempted suicides I do agree there are more happening but and it’s a very  important but I’ve also seen a very big increase in the numbers who've done it for the silliest of reasons and that I blame on social media and the ‘perfect celebrity’ culture we’re living in . 


The majority is and never will be bad enough it will come to your attention, thankfully.

all the training I have had in the past few years has said there has been an increase. As far as evidence goes I have not seen any hard evidence personally but would stake my professional opinion on it rising.

however, it’s a hard one. As young people are often good at hiding it and not speaking about it. Same goes for it being more socially accepted as a thing. As someone mention earlier these things have been going on for years but culture and society didn’t speak about it and it was not in the public eye so the rise (contrary to what I just said) May be because it IS easier for people to talk about it, therefore it’s more reported!! 

I work with with kids and have seen an increase certainly in awareness by young people and professionals as well as having more open conversations with kids about it

 
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I believe what Alibiscuit is trying to get across is the need for what is called the 'Rule of Law' and our good old innocent till proven guilty thing. I could murder someone live on national TV and rightly be arrested for it but remain innocent until convicted in a Court of Law.  She hasn't been convicted in a UK court and hence technically remains innocent so why punish her by removing her citizenship.  I understand the point but frankly, fuck her. :)

 
Basically yeah.. 

alrhough the removing citizenship thing hasnt hasn’t really angered me, as I would HOPE and expect the decision was taken based on actual evidence and thoroughly weighed up options by people far more educated, informed and better placed to make these decisions than me! 

More annoyed at the media handling and over reaction from the public over it all.

 
Serious question , in relation to self harm have you got any solid empirical evidence of this ? 

Reason I ask is I work in A&E and have done for a good few yrs and I’ve not seen a noticeable increase in the numbers I’m dealing with in that time . 

As to attempted suicides I do agree there are more happening but and it’s a very  important but I’ve also seen a very big increase in the numbers who've done it for the silliest of reasons and that I blame on social media and the ‘perfect celebrity’ culture we’re living in . 
thanks for checking me on that, it's statically a quarter not half. 
https://www.nhs.uk/news/mental-health/nearly-quarter-14-year-old-girls-uk-self-harming-charity-reports/

But most kids don't got to A&E didn't, they hide it from their parents, and most self harm is superficial, and doesn't need stitches on my experience. 

 
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