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THE TM MWS thread

I'm probably opening myself up for a fair amount of abuse, or at least a stack of eye rolling and "here we go again" type comments, but I appreciate your comments and thoughts regardless; I'm looking to get my first GBBR with a view to building a gun I can (effectively) field next year.

I'm toying with a L119A2 build (told you the eye-rolling would start) but am not too concerned with it being 100% accurate. I know I'd need the Angry Gun rail and outer barrel, and personally I'd want a Magpul CTR stock, Magpul pistol grip and  foregrip and run it with a suppressor, but those are all decisions for the future. My question is, is this a viable idea for a TM GBBR, and if so, what would be a good base platform to start with; the M4 MWS or CQB-R?

Like I mentioned, I'm looking at this as a longer term project, primarily to make it easier from a finance point of view, but also because I'm a fickle bastard and may change my mind halfway through - I may end up wanting a more generic SF M4-style build as I am a big fan of Seal Team-style loadouts for example - so would love to hear your experiences, recommendations and warnings of any pitfalls.

Thank you.

 
C-Diddy said:
I'm probably opening myself up for a fair amount of abuse, or at least a stack of eye rolling and "here we go again" type comments, but I appreciate your comments and thoughts regardless; I'm looking to get my first GBBR with a view to building a gun I can (effectively) field next year.

I'm toying with a L119A2 build (told you the eye-rolling would start) but am not too concerned with it being 100% accurate. I know I'd need the Angry Gun rail and outer barrel, and personally I'd want a Magpul CTR stock, Magpul pistol grip and  foregrip and run it with a suppressor, but those are all decisions for the future. My question is, is this a viable idea for a TM GBBR, and if so, what would be a good base platform to start with; the M4 MWS or CQB-R?

Like I mentioned, I'm looking at this as a longer term project, primarily to make it easier from a finance point of view, but also because I'm a fickle bastard and may change my mind halfway through - I may end up wanting a more generic SF M4-style build as I am a big fan of Seal Team-style loadouts for example - so would love to hear your experiences, recommendations and warnings of any pitfalls.

Thank you.
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Hey so I can speak from recent experience. Similar to you I wasn't concerned with 100% total accuracy, I just wanted to general look of an L119A2 and I substituted some items for practical reasons.

Short answer:

 Yes it is perfectly doable.

Long answer:

I got my first GBBR (MWS) in January and just finished converting it to an L119A2. Payed my first game with it just last week. And it was amazing. 

Let's go tip to butt.

Muzzle & Barrel:

I went with the Angry gun SF216A suppressor and flash hider. Nice thing about this is it is QD. You can also make small modifications to fit some small pistol tracers in the can. I matched this with an Angry gun 10" inch L119A2 outer barrel. 

Now here is an important bit. The Angry Gun outer barrel doesn't play nicely with the TM hop unit and you have to modify the outer barrel slightly to get it to fit and to get the hop working. You have to do some small filing.

Or you could opt for the Angry gun hop unit but I wanted to keep the TM. I am not sure how this has effected performance as I was never able to test my stock MWS at long range. I am getting about 40- 50 meters effective range on .28s and no other mods except the Six G nub which will hop heavier bbs if I want.

Next I have the Angry Gun short L119A2 rail, notice the AG theme here.

Important to note you don't have to get the Angry gun barrel for this to fit as some other barrels out there will fit with the rail. But the TM stock outer barrel isn't compatible with the rail without a modified PTS adapter ring.

Grips and rail attachments:

I have the Magpul AFG, I have seen a lot of people running stubby grips and thats fine but I personally prefer the AFG. It looks the part, but really go with either a stubby vert grip like the BCM or the Magpul RVG if you are more comfortable with them. I tried both the AFG and RVG and returned the RVG.

Magpul RSA sling attach point. Just the normal RSA not the QD but get whatever works for your sling.

Cheap ladder rail covers, Element brand I think.

Optics:

Here we have the first non L119A2 part.

I went with a Holosun HS403C classic in FDE. I actually ordered this before I wanted to do an L119 build but I don't regret it. It auto adjusts brightness based on it's solar panel and it has very little parallax. You could absolutely go with cheaper replica red dots but I love the look of the Holosun. It looks very T1 ish but different and the FDE is great. Also as it is designed to work with real firearms it holds zero and is durable enough for games. I also got the guns modify T1 sight protector as this fits fine and protects this pricey sight from bbs.

Pistol Grip and butt stock:

I went with the PTS EPG, again ordered this before I knew I wanted to do an L119 but it looks ok and is comfortable. I mainly wanted an affordable FDE grip and this does the job. 

The CTR Stock in FDE is fantastic. It Is one of my fave pieces on the gun and is accurate to L119A2 builds. Paired with a Magpul MS3 with QD point it is very practical too.

I would caveat all of this by saying I didn't actually put the gun together myself. I did everything except the barrel and hand guard as getting it on in a way that fits with the outer barrel and hop situation, as well as getting the rail not to rotate, was difficult without a Vice and correct tools. So I paid a guy locally from the L119A2 Owners club on Facebook groups. Highly recommend joining that group if you want to do this build. Don't worry they're not all elitists.

My biggest comment with this whole thing is that for an L119A2 there just aren't a lot of brands doing all the parts at the moment. You are very reliant on Angry Gun and their QC is hit and miss. I am still a bit annoyed I never tested the thing pre angry gun parts but it is performing okay. Just would be nice to know if they are effecting performance. However a if you don't care about the small details like ambi selector and charging handle. Most of the accessories are third party off the shelf things that go with most SF M4 builds. The rail and short barrel are really wet give it the L119A2 look.

View attachment 72583

 
gunbod007 said:
Hey so I can speak from recent experience. Similar to you I wasn't concerned with 100% total accuracy, I just wanted to general look of an L119A2 and I substituted some items for practical reasons.

Short answer:

 Yes it is perfectly doable.

Long answer:

I got my first GBBR (MWS) in January and just finished converting it to an L119A2. Payed my first game with it just last week. And it was amazing. 

Let's go tip to butt.

Muzzle & Barrel:

I went with the Angry gun SF216A suppressor and flash hider. Nice thing about this is it is QD. You can also make small modifications to fit some small pistol tracers in the can. I matched this with an Angry gun 10" inch L119A2 outer barrel. 

Now here is an important bit. The Angry Gun outer barrel doesn't play nicely with the TM hop unit and you have to modify the outer barrel slightly to get it to fit and to get the hop working. You have to do some small filing.

Or you could opt for the Angry gun hop unit but I wanted to keep the TM. I am not sure how this has effected performance as I was never able to test my stock MWS at long range. I am getting about 40- 50 meters effective range on .28s and no other mods except the Six G nub which will hop heavier bbs if I want.

Next I have the Angry Gun short L119A2 rail, notice the AG theme here.

Important to note you don't have to get the Angry gun barrel for this to fit as some other barrels out there will fit with the rail. But the TM stock outer barrel isn't compatible with the rail without a modified PTS adapter ring.

Grips and rail attachments:

I have the Magpul AFG, I have seen a lot of people running stubby grips and thats fine but I personally prefer the AFG. It looks the part, but really go with either a stubby vert grip like the BCM or the Magpul RVG if you are more comfortable with them. I tried both the AFG and RVG and returned the RVG.

Magpul RSA sling attach point. Just the normal RSA not the QD but get whatever works for your sling.

Cheap ladder rail covers, Element brand I think.

Optics:

Here we have the first non L119A2 part.

I went with a Holosun HS403C classic in FDE. I actually ordered this before I wanted to do an L119 build but I don't regret it. It auto adjusts brightness based on it's solar panel and it has very little parallax. You could absolutely go with cheaper replica red dots but I love the look of the Holosun. It looks very T1 ish but different and the FDE is great. Also as it is designed to work with real firearms it holds zero and is durable enough for games. I also got the guns modify T1 sight protector as this fits fine and protects this pricey sight from bbs.

Pistol Grip and butt stock:

I went with the PTS EPG, again ordered this before I knew I wanted to do an L119 but it looks ok and is comfortable. I mainly wanted an affordable FDE grip and this does the job. 

The CTR Stock in FDE is fantastic. It Is one of my fave pieces on the gun and is accurate to L119A2 builds. Paired with a Magpul MS3 with QD point it is very practical too.

I would caveat all of this by saying I didn't actually put the gun together myself. I did everything except the barrel and hand guard as getting it on in a way that fits with the outer barrel and hop situation, as well as getting the rail not to rotate, was difficult without a Vice and correct tools. So I paid a guy locally from the L119A2 Owners club on Facebook groups. Highly recommend joining that group if you want to do this build. Don't worry they're not all elitists.

My biggest comment with this whole thing is that for an L119A2 there just aren't a lot of brands doing all the parts at the moment. You are very reliant on Angry Gun and their QC is hit and miss. I am still a bit annoyed I never tested the thing pre angry gun parts but it is performing okay. Just would be nice to know if they are effecting performance. However a if you don't care about the small details like ambi selector and charging handle. Most of the accessories are third party off the shelf things that go with most SF M4 builds. The rail and short barrel are really wet give it the L119A2 look.

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That is probably the most comprehensive response I could've got! Really appreciate it buddy, thank you, and the gun looks great ??

 
Hey once again guys,
SO appearantly due to covid19 since 04-15 shipments from Hong Kong is gonna take 2 extra weeks just for being shipped out of their post, so I cant get the part I damaged from them in a reasonable amount of time and it looks like my shipment will be coming to me in about ~1.5-2months.... This is a really long time and I would like to use my MTR16, but if you saw my posts earlier I damaged buffer spring guide part B.... View attachment 72611and such the replacement parts is gonna ship for 2 months I would like to ask you guys, (i know its a long shot) but maybe someone from this thread could take their buffer spring guide part B to 3d printing guys so they could scan it and make 3D printer .stl file?

I suppose I am not the only one missing this part since it is out of stock everywhere, it would really help me to print myself a replacement, even if it is worse quality then the original one. 

 
Any experiences with the G&P inner barrels? I’m considering to go the 263 mm route for a more compact build. Thus, leaving the 360 mm prommy behind after a year of chairsofting 

 
TadsJ2 said:
 replacement parts is gonna ship for 2 months I would like to ask you guys, (i know its a long shot) but maybe someone from this thread could take their buffer spring guide part B to 3d printing guys so they could scan it and make 3D printer .stl file?

I suppose I am not the only one missing this part since it is out of stock everywhere, it would really help me to print myself a replacement, even if it is worse quality then the original one. 
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Something like this..........

View attachment 72633

View attachment 72634

 
mightyjebus said:
cause I'm awesome :P

I just printed 1 out at 100% infill and tried it and it is a drop in fit. No issues as far as I can see and I'll stick a link up for thingiverse a bit later once I upload it.

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damn man, you are a SAVER! I will be waiting for that link, thank you very VERY much! Also, could you write what plastic you used?

 
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C-Diddy said:
That is probably the most comprehensive response I could've got! Really appreciate it buddy, thank you, and the gun looks great ??
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Yeah no worries, I have just finished this last week so was eager to tell all.

Join the L119 owners club on Facebook as they are really friendly and have techs on there too.

Also checkout thereptilehouse blog on their L119A2 builds if you do want to get it super close to the real thing.

 
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Hypokondrikern said:
Any experiences with the G&P inner barrels? I’m considering to go the 263 mm route for a more compact build. Thus, leaving the 360 mm prommy behind after a year of chairsofting 
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I have one of their 370mm inner barrels in my MRE and had no issues whatsoever. ?

 
Hi all,

Just bought my MWS CQBR and waiting for delivery, safe to say I'm excited!

So my questing is: what else do I need? I'm thinking about trying to get away with 4 mags because i have a pistol and I'll just carry a speed loader and bag of BBs (am poor now lol). Will this be enough? 

Also, what gas do I need to use and what FPS will that give, what lube etc? Is there anything I need to know? Not bothered about upgrading and happy to just run stock but want your advice on how to look after it!

 
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