THE TM MWS thread

[Davegolf]

Glad you enjoyed your day out, kinda

You definitely want to be running powerful gas or MAPP at lower temps to get the best from the MWS.

That will get you on pace and snappy.

Also standard mags, dont cut those gas tubes - we have found them to negatively affect FPS consistency and worsen cooldown.

The only downside i find with MWS vs AEG in woodland is if you need a burst to guarantee a hit through dense cover.

Otherwise your heavy ammo (hopefully you were running 0.32- 0.36s?) should always come up trumps on distanced single shots.

 

[Cyberlawyer]

Ok so general question to the MWS hive mind, I currently own 3 MWS and I have them set up as follows:

1. Mk18 build 10.5 inch barrel - Full auto - regular skirmish gun shooting 350 fps.

2. Mk12 build 20 inch steel outer barrel (yes its bloody heavy) - Semi locked - shooting 500fps, (but usually have to down tune it with NPAS to 450/400 for site DMR limits).

3. 14.5 inch - competition gun - Semi locked - shooting 380 fps on 0.3g bbs used for 2/3 gun competition shooting where as long as it is legal highest FPS possible is an inherent advantage as we are only shooting targets, 14.5 inch barrel makes it very quick to transition between targets so perfect for 3 gun style shooting.

I may have just acquired another MWS (it is actually an MTR and I plan to transplant the ambi receiver into my competition gun). So my question is what build should I do with this gun, given I will be using the regular mws receiver currently on my competition gun. Currently I am thinking either:

(a) a 16" recce rifle build, or

(b) a short barrelled PDW build (probably 8 inches),

What do people think would be the best way to go that I would get the most use out of?

 

[Davegolf]

@Cyberlawyer thats a dedicated airsoft collection! Can you post a pic of all three?

 

[gunbod007]

Had my first game with my MWS on Sunday. Fuck me it was heavy with all those mags

 

[Groot]

Glad you enjoyed your day out, kinda

You definitely want to be running powerful gas or MAPP at lower temps to get the best from the MWS.

That will get you on pace and snappy.

Also standard mags, dont cut those gas tubes - we have found them to negatively affect FPS consistency and worsen cooldown.

The only downside i find with MWS vs AEG in woodland is if you need a burst to guarantee a hit through dense cover.

Otherwise your heavy ammo (hopefully you were running 0.32- 0.36s?) should always come up trumps on distanced single shots.

Running Valkyrie .32s and they are very good. They have said they are working on heavier ammo too. I would like to try running 0.4s

I was saying to a team mate about the number of BB's required in most cases to land a kill in woodland. Generally means at best you will get 3-5 kills a mag and I only have 4 mags. 
For my PTW i can carry the same ammo as 3 MWS mags in the single light as feather Pmag.  Running a MWS feels like a self nerf in woodland. 

I think i just like winning too much. 

I think the ambient temp, being in the shade and my gas choice was not optimum. Other than my hop arm, the gun is entirely stock. 

Had my first game with my MWS on Sunday. Fuck me it was heavy with all those mags

 RIGHT!

I also had the fear of them rattling around in my dump pouch and getting damaged. 

 

[Cyberlawyer]

@Davegolf I think there is a picture earlier on the thread but always happy to repost a pic of the ladies...

@gunbod007 How many were you carrying? I sometimes carry 13 (10 on plate carrier, 2 in belt and 1 in gun) and while heavy it’s not uncomfortable. Although I do normally carry less so I can lay flatter.

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[Davegolf]

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[AlphaBear]

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Now, now, what do we have here? Hmmmmm the upper 416C looking variant looks ok.... but the lower one looks as though it's been in a drag contest. What's it supposed to be?

 

[SSPKali]

I played a woodland game on Sunday and can confirm that 6 in the chest rig and one in the gun is a good workout! For the two last games I used my AEG and the lower weight of 4 120rd mags was appreciated!

I used the Dynamic Precision lightweight bolt, G&P roller end and AG / G&P hybrid nozzle and parts. Chrono'd at 265fps in the morning (probably 5deg) and was ok for 4-5rd bursts if you didn't do it too often. Single shot was fine and got some good hits out to 40-50m (including one through a 15cm gap in a building from 30m ?)

I struggled with the hop too, you had to buy the Bio bbs from the site and they did 0.30g or 0 40g. The 0.30g were a little light and 4 clicks of hop was too little, and 5 clicks was ramping them up too much. I have a spare TM rubber so might try that as the Modify tan might be ok for 0.36g anything less and it is a little too finiky! 

I would agree that for Milsims and CQB the MWS is un-matched, where 3 spare mags is adequate for a game or you are patrolling / observing RoEs Woodland games where you have 5 rolling "defend the base then move to the next when hit...rinse and repeat" on the trot...less so!

 

[Davegolf]

Now, now, what do we have here? Hmmmmm the upper 416C looking variant looks ok.... but the lower one looks as though it's been in a drag contest. What's it supposed to be?

I posted the AR pistol as I think if @Cyberlawyer went the 8” route it’s have to have a stock like that.

The lower is a 16” Recce setup, I think it looks cool in modern classic way, the Midwest rail and ACOG.

Bipod is jank however

 

[AlphaBear]

I posted the AR pistol as I think if @Cyberlawyer went the 8” route it’s have to have a stock like that.

The lower is a 16” Recce setup, I think it looks cool in modern classic way, the Midwest rail and ACOG.

Bipod is jank however

I couldn't think of a word to describe that bipod..... but yeah jank suits it 

 

[Davegolf]

I do wish someone made those L5 mags in MWS GBBR too

 

[Cyberlawyer]

I must admit the 8" PDW route is probably the most appealing, as it actually has a purpose. I am already well over any site DMR limits with my 14" competition gun so I could just stick a LPVO on it and skirmish that. The only advantage on the 16" build would be avoiding the need to swap optics (not really a hardship) and avoiding wear on my competition gun, which is a more valid consideration.  

I also have to say that 8" build is very pretty, who did the paintwork?

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[Davegolf]

God knows on the paint, i just googled the image to showcase the stock on it, as i dont think you can legitimately build an AR subgun without a stock like that

Yes i think you have enough 'proper' guns, so an 8" would be great fun in general and for CQB play

 

[gunbod007]

@gunbod007 How many were you carrying? I sometimes carry 13 (10 on plate carrier, 2 in belt and 1 in gun) and while heavy it’s not uncomfortable. Although I do normally carry less so I can lay flatter.

I was only carrying 5 on plate carrier. Plus pistol and scootering belt. But after a year if not leaving the house it weighed me down haha. Jesus 10?!!

I played a woodland game on Sunday and can confirm that 6 in the chest rig and one in the gun is a good workout! For the two last games I used my AEG and the lower weight of 4 120rd mags was appreciated!

I used the Dynamic Precision lightweight bolt, G&P roller end and AG / G&P hybrid nozzle and parts. Chrono'd at 265fps in the morning (probably 5deg) and was ok for 4-5rd bursts if you didn't do it too often. Single shot was fine and got some good hits out to 40-50m (including one through a 15cm gap in a building from 30m ?)

I struggled with the hop too, you had to buy the Bio bbs from the site and they did 0.30g or 0 40g. The 0.30g were a little light and 4 clicks of hop was too little, and 5 clicks was ramping them up too much. I have a spare TM rubber so might try that as the Modify tan might be ok for 0.36g anything less and it is a little too finiky! 

I would agree that for Milsims and CQB the MWS is un-matched, where 3 spare mags is adequate for a game or you are patrolling / observing RoEs Woodland games where you have 5 rolling "defend the base then move to the next when hit...rinse and repeat" on the trot...less so!

Where did you play on Sunday? I had woodland game where we did defend the base and move to the next when hit haha.

 

[SSPKali]

I was only carrying 5 on plate carrier. Plus pistol and scootering belt. But after a year if not leaving the house it weighed me down haha. Jesus 10?!!

Where did you play on Sunday? I had woodland game where we did defend the base and move to the next when hit haha.

Spartan Woodland site near Bristol

 

[gunbod007]

Spartan Woodland site near Bristol

Ah I was Ambush adventures Chobham

 

[Groot]

New Hop Arm available from 

Runinworkshop.com

That and the nub could be a super combo. 

 

[camden]

Short usage review.

First outing with my MWS on Sat and I enjoyed it but it wasn't as good as my PTW. 

I think I need to spend a little more time getting the hop just perfect and zero it again.

It was also only about 5-8'C when I was using it and it just felt a bit weak. I was using Predator Red Gas. 

I don't think I gave it a fair shake of the stick. Simply because of how good my PTW is. 
I point and that thing sends the shots accurately and at a known range and consistency. 

My MWS was in my head a 50/50 chance of hitting the player. 

Was also my first time running a short scope, rather than a dot sight. Which was very different.
I really enjoyed being able to see the target and getting that extra bit of optics on them to follow the shot in. 
I found it slower to get on target. Which is obviously their negative vs a dot. But I will continue to practice. 

So from a historic full AEG convert.

I think I will enjoy using the MWS but I don't think it is as suited to a woodland game as an AEG and that is mainly due to the low ammo count vs weight on the mags.  
I liked the realism but didn't like the weigh of having just 4 mags on me. Let along the 7 AEG, I usually carry. 

For Combat mission, heavy storyline milsim and probably for some CQB games. It will be the winner for smiles and realism.

I just don't think if I had the option and wanted to win a game, i would pick it over my PTW or NGRS. 

That said. Lets see how I feel after my next game. Where it will be the only thing I take with me. 

Gunman US vs Russia at the end of May

I agree mostly on yout PTW Vs MWS comparison. I stopped using the MWS for woodland as not accurate enough over distance. However, I absolutely love the MWS for CQB.

 

[ajumma]

New Hop Arm available from 

Runinworkshop.com



That and the nub could be a super combo. 

I’d be interested in seeing some proper testing of if there is any improvement over the stock arm and this when using, for example, an omega nub and ML bucking.