The most Advanced Airsoft Grenade in the World!

[Lozart]

Still there for me too...

 

[beastmode]

Ah maybe its because I'm in Thailand at the moment and something is blocking the page. Panic over then.

 

[sp00n]

Still there for me

 

[beastmode]

Keep me updated please if there is any updates as im here for another week and a bit.

 

[GiantKiwi]

I thought i'd bump this having discovered this evening, these STILL aren't completed, and from what I can see in the comments on their FB page, even more money was asked of the initial backers. Oh, but it's only 2.5 years later...definitely screams vapourware to me.

 

[proffrink]

I think vapourware infers intent, and there may not have been anything malicious - this was a hard project.

That said, I never backed either for the same concerns.

 

[SeniorSpaz87]

I thought i'd bump this having discovered this evening, these STILL aren't completed, and from what I can see in the comments on their FB page, even more money was asked of the initial backers. Oh, but it's only 2.5 years later...definitely screams vapourware to me.

They didnt ask for more money - they needed more to complete the project, so the company are paying the difference out of pocket, adding to the time. Its is a bit overdue though haha.

 

[Tommikka]

What many crowdfunders don’t realise is that they aren’t preordering but are investing in a product

if the minimum target isn’t met then everyone gets their money back, if the target is met then the developers get the money and start going

If it was guaranteed then they could go to the bank and get a business loan or to a standard investor and then just pay back the original loan/investment plus some percentage on top

The product is then priced on the cost including paying back the investment and everyone is happy - as long as it sells

Thats not easy when you’ve got a new idea or it’s a twist on something that’s already out there.

A separate benefit of crowdfunding is free advertising, if you have something quirky then it gets picked up and passed around for more free advertising.

Your investors become your first buyers, so you’ve lost the risk of not selling anything 

in this case the cost of getting to market has turned out to be double that first thought of, but they are still working on it

There is an extra risk of crow funding that your investors could be all of your customers, this screws up some of the figures as by giving them the offer of cheaper products you’ve cut the product margin and if they are the bulk of your customs then there’s no further profit to be made

From the look of it production has been more complex and they have given up on that as an ongoing product, (the investors & preorders are the only people who are going to receive the 500 being manufactured)

It’s not seeming to be a very viable product, as there are already the cheap option of disposable pyro or the more expensive option of reusable pyro. This is meant to be the perfect reusable, has taken longer to develop, cost more than originally anticipated (1 no sh*t, 2 a risk of too successful crowdfunding), recently approved (that would have been more fun on Facebook of the police said no), and will eventually be arriving with investors/pre orders

 

[Esoterick]

It was I think around a month ago there was a post from them on facebook with loads of people going berserk as they were sayng that the full 500 piece order had to be completed before any were being produced. This seems to have since changed but that does mean for all intents and purposes they were asking for more money.

This is the primary reason I don't back concepts and instead buy tangible products. Anyone who is a PC gamer I would imagine is all too aware of all the times creators are seen to massively take the piss, then lo and behold never make a final product.

 

[Rogerborg]

Thanks, having just been ripped off by SWAT, I needed cheering up by seeing an even bigger... scheme.  This is an absolutely classic story of unrealistic promises and it's-everybody's-fault-but-mine salty tears of rage.

Reading that he was cutting costs, shortly followed by "We [who?] will be including Bluetooth connectivity in the charging base and an app for configuration", wow, just wow.

 

[Mr Monkey Nuts]

Can they be added to the known scammers thread now? 

 

[Tommikka]

Can they be added to the known scammers thread now? 

Initially I would have said no to them being ‘known scammers’

A failed crowd funded product isn’t a scam, unless the whole thing was a con in the first place 

Crowd funding is investment, and therefore a risk

However on reading, they are offering refunds and credit.  Not exactly a scam if they are giving money back

Most crowdfunding raises funds to develop and the cash can easily be lost due to it being spent as intended but the goal failing 

 

[Rogerborg]

Rule of thumb: anyone using the corporate "we" when talking about their one-man-in-a-shed project has delusions of grandeur and will never take personal responsibility for over-promising and under-delivering.

 

[Rogerborg]

Hey I have complete faith in Elon. Who's gonna be laughing when we're sipping margaritas on Mars?

Kickaha.