The 'How Did Your Airsoft Day Go? Thread

[Cr0-Magnon]

TBH, I only check this thread to read the next chapter in AS vs HPA. Maybe we can change the title?

I was at Driver Wood in Crawley yesterday. It's definitely had the most invested in it out of any site I've been to and the Marshals do their job well (step 1 - paying attention, step 2 - communicating). It's got some cool "props" too (a helicopter, boat, black cab, double-decker bus and military trucks) but the two times I've been, something's lacking for me. You've got an L shaped open section which most of the aforementioned props are positioned in. On paper these make for excellent cover to push up from point to point. However the general lack of enthusiasm amongst the players, lead to everyone bunching up at the back and wasting countless BB's, mostly keeping the oppositions heads down/preventing advancement. The woodland section adjacent is quite dense too, making sneaking around difficult. A few times I tried, it was met with several "brrrpps" (HPA!) and a couple hundred BB's rained down. The afternoon provided some highlights, as I was able to successfully carryout a few cool "tactical" moments teaming up with a mate. For example when we went either side of a riot shield player and he didn't know which side to defend.

I'm not going to be in a hurry to go back, but at the same time I don't really feel like that's the sites fault.....a weird one.

Not having a moan but as a note, it's the first time I've felt in the minority as an AEG user. Definitely seeing a rise in HPA players.

 

[MrTea]

I have a pretty good idea who the player is now as they don't take their hits and was the HPA hole that was trigger spamming everyone as well as overkill.

Sounds like you need to start speaking to the marshalls/field owners to get something done about this. That or go to a different field.

 

[Impulse]

Not having a moan but as a note, it's the first time I've felt in the minority as an AEG user. Definitely seeing a rise in HPA players.

It's the current hotness in airsoft. Being able to fine tune power and rate of fire exactly where you need it, as well as how quiet it is and being able to run high caps is a pretty nice bonus; the only price you pay is a line and tank, which doesn't really affect most people and how they play; I personally can't stand it because I crawl into weird spots and the line always gets caught on things and I like being able to leave my rifle and go SMG-ing if things get too spicy. However, I will say that sitting at the back and spamming BBs at the enemy is also something that AEG users do aplenty and I've found that playing aggressively is just not something a lot of airsofters do nowadays. The number of times I see people going out to games with a plate carrier of 6 high cap magazines and going through them all in a single game, but similarly never see them on the front line. I swear these people spend more on BBs than I do, and I run .32s at the lightest (unless I'm somewhere with a weight limit). I often find myself as the front line because I've slow crawled into a position and nobody on my team has pushed up anywhere near as far forward

 

[Speedbird_666]

Started out OK but then the some HPA hole was shooting players in the hands and targeting the weapons,

HPA player aims for guns and equipment rather than heads and faces. Still complains. ?

Same site? did you report it to the staff? Did they chrono-check person responsible?

Perhaps NERF would be a more appropriate pastime for you to undertake?

 

[Skara]

So, a genuine advice has turned into a massive roast, gives me £700 swat loadout vibes!!

For real though, try having a word with the site's staff, or play somewhere else.

 

[Shamal]

HPA bad

Shooting hands bad

Shooting guns bad

What's next? Shooting you bad?

What's next? Shooting you bad?

Haha yeah. 

I did ask a marshall at last bunker day if he would be so kind as to tell the chaps at the other end of a tunnel to stop fuckin' shooting me as it was pissing me off and ruining my game.He said he would have a word.....they obviously didn't listen! ??

 

[AirSniper]

HPA bad

Shooting hands bad

Shooting guns bad

What's next? Shooting you bad?

If the point was a bullseye on a target, you missed it.

HPA is too powerful for indoor sites and close quarters. I get fed up of idiots that have it and shoot you in the hands, I have had two broken fingers from HPA players shooting from more than 20 meters. I have also had the knickle safety kevlar cracked on my gloves from a GBB pistol shooting at point blank range, caused my knuckle to swell up and I couldn't use that hand, luckily for me I am ambidextrous for game play. 

Shooting in the hands is shitty play.
Shooting in the groin is shitty play.

Shooting at eyepros is shitty play.

and ... 

Head shots IF and ONLY IF you are providing a head, fair game otherwise, taking a headshot if there is more real estate to shoot at is shitty play.

Another thing that some players do is shoot people in the legs in sensitive areas like the inner thigh when you have a target that has a vest on, a bit of protection from the full force of the shot, you still know when you been hit, some players just don't like to take the hit because they are so used to cheating that they often ignore the hits. 

I accidentally shot someone in their groin, it wasn't intentional and was taken for what it was, accidental, however you get some players that intentionally want to hurt people. This is achieved by a number of methods including overkill, shooting someone in a game where bang bang rules apply. I find often that players that are surprised by me appearing out the blue take the hit despite me not firing off a shot.
 

The problem is that the game has people who play that don't like to play by a set of rules, it is off putting to incoming kids playing the game when you have some A Hole player that is aggressive in game play towards other players.

I' have been in games where kids are literally hiding to keep out of the firing line, you have to encourage them to push forward because some of these shots off HPA players do hurt more than being shot by a AEG with the same weight BB.

The last game I played, had equipment damaged, this includes my prescription eyepros that cost £175 a pair. I can see where a BB hit and cracked the frame that held the lens in place and these things are made of ballistics PC and even that has cracking in it at one corner. 

It takes more than 2.5Joules to smash a PC lens cover, the eye pros I have are rated to the standard that allows them to be used in a workplace environment which is higher than the standard required for airsoft. So *uck knows what power that HPA player was playing with. In three years of play at various sites and taking hits, I have never experience this kind of thing happening. 

Maybe there should be a standard set of game rules that exists as a guide for all sites to follow and it is the gold standard to play by.

I have said that its a game where honour rules apply and by not taking hits or playing by the rules, it shows what sort of person you are in real life.

 

[Krisz]

If the point was a bullseye on a target, you missed it.

HPA is too powerful for indoor sites and close quarters. I get fed up of idiots that have it and shoot you in the hands, I have had two broken fingers from HPA players shooting from more than 20 meters. I have also had the knickle safety kevlar cracked on my gloves from a GBB pistol shooting at point blank range, caused my knuckle to swell up and I couldn't use that hand, luckily for me I am ambidextrous for game play. 

Shooting in the hands is shitty play.
Shooting in the groin is shitty play.

Shooting at eyepros is shitty play.

and ... 

Head shots IF and ONLY IF you are providing a head, fair game otherwise, taking a headshot if there is more real estate to shoot at is shitty play.

Another thing that some players do is shoot people in the legs in sensitive areas like the inner thigh when you have a target that has a vest on, a bit of protection from the full force of the shot, you still know when you been hit, some players just don't like to take the hit because they are so used to cheating that they often ignore the hits. 

I accidentally shot someone in their groin, it wasn't intentional and was taken for what it was, accidental, however you get some players that intentionally want to hurt people. This is achieved by a number of methods including overkill, shooting someone in a game where bang bang rules apply. I find often that players that are surprised by me appearing out the blue take the hit despite me not firing off a shot.
 

The problem is that the game has people who play that don't like to play by a set of rules, it is off putting to incoming kids playing the game when you have some A Hole player that is aggressive in game play towards other players.

I' have been in games where kids are literally hiding to keep out of the firing line, you have to encourage them to push forward because some of these shots off HPA players do hurt more than being shot by a AEG with the same weight BB.

The last game I played, had equipment damaged, this includes my prescription eyepros that cost £175 a pair. I can see where a BB hit and cracked the frame that held the lens in place and these things are made of ballistics PC and even that has cracking in it at one corner. 

It takes more than 2.5Joules to smash a PC lens cover, the eye pros I have are rated to the standard that allows them to be used in a workplace environment which is higher than the standard required for airsoft. So *uck knows what power that HPA player was playing with. In three years of play at various sites and taking hits, I have never experience this kind of thing happening. 

Maybe there should be a standard set of game rules that exists as a guide for all sites to follow and it is the gold standard to play by.

I have said that its a game where honour rules apply and by not taking hits or playing by the rules, it shows what sort of person you are in real life.

HPA is regulated by air pressure which is set by the owner. Both the owner and field marshalls have to be sure you don't go above site limits, MED is followed, etc.

Being a cunt is just easier on HPA, because you chrono whatever you want to and then later on you change your PSI, voila, easy joule creep...

I play only indoor right now as an HPA player, never had issues but my pistol only shoots 300 FPS on 100 PSI. You should try indoor for a change. Maximum 350 FPS and semi only makes a huge difference.

You have got a lot of a valid points though. A met a few guys since last February who didn't take hits or tried to bend rules or just overkilled in general. But regular people are always sound.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

If the players at the site you play at are breaking rules, then your first port of call is to report them to the marshalling staff.

If the staff cant/wont do anything about it then vote with your wallet, show them that their failure directly results in loss of customers and revenue. Go somewhere else.

If none of the sites you can travel to are able to provide a decent game then maybe it's time to consider other hobbies.

 

[Lozart]

If the point was a bullseye on a target, you missed it.

HPA is too powerful for indoor sites and close quarters. I get fed up of idiots that have it and shoot you in the hands, I have had two broken fingers from HPA players shooting from more than 20 meters. I have also had the knickle safety kevlar cracked on my gloves from a GBB pistol shooting at point blank range, caused my knuckle to swell up and I couldn't use that hand, luckily for me I am ambidextrous for game play. 

Shooting in the hands is shitty play.
Shooting in the groin is shitty play.

Shooting at eyepros is shitty play.

and ... 

Head shots IF and ONLY IF you are providing a head, fair game otherwise, taking a headshot if there is more real estate to shoot at is shitty play.

Another thing that some players do is shoot people in the legs in sensitive areas like the inner thigh when you have a target that has a vest on, a bit of protection from the full force of the shot, you still know when you been hit, some players just don't like to take the hit because they are so used to cheating that they often ignore the hits. 

I accidentally shot someone in their groin, it wasn't intentional and was taken for what it was, accidental, however you get some players that intentionally want to hurt people. This is achieved by a number of methods including overkill, shooting someone in a game where bang bang rules apply. I find often that players that are surprised by me appearing out the blue take the hit despite me not firing off a shot.
 

The problem is that the game has people who play that don't like to play by a set of rules, it is off putting to incoming kids playing the game when you have some A Hole player that is aggressive in game play towards other players.

I' have been in games where kids are literally hiding to keep out of the firing line, you have to encourage them to push forward because some of these shots off HPA players do hurt more than being shot by a AEG with the same weight BB.

The last game I played, had equipment damaged, this includes my prescription eyepros that cost £175 a pair. I can see where a BB hit and cracked the frame that held the lens in place and these things are made of ballistics PC and even that has cracking in it at one corner. 

It takes more than 2.5Joules to smash a PC lens cover, the eye pros I have are rated to the standard that allows them to be used in a workplace environment which is higher than the standard required for airsoft. So *uck knows what power that HPA player was playing with. In three years of play at various sites and taking hits, I have never experience this kind of thing happening. 

Maybe there should be a standard set of game rules that exists as a guide for all sites to follow and it is the gold standard to play by.

I have said that its a game where honour rules apply and by not taking hits or playing by the rules, it shows what sort of person you are in real life.

It's not the HPA, it's the player and more importantly the site staff and enforcement of the rules. HPA at 1.2 Joules is no different than spring or AEG at 1.2 Joules, the BB doesn't know or care what system is providing the motive power.

Find somewhere else to play.

 

[AirSniper]

It's not the HPA, it's the player and more importantly the site staff and enforcement of the rules. HPA at 1.2 Joules is no different than spring or AEG at 1.2 Joules, the BB doesn't know or care what system is providing the motive power.

Find somewhere else to play.

HPA has a lot to do with it. They cycle faster than AEG, in a game where you have one team of HPA and another of AEG's, the HPA will win because of the rate of fire and power difference.

In the last game I was at, the HPA was recognisable by how much faster the BB's were flying compared to the AEG's it is also noticeable by the fact that I again have small circular bruises despite having a vest, t-shirt, my game top, fleece and a plate carrier, and I have been hit with AEG's and whilst they sting, the HPA fire was actually hurting.

Most sites work on 1 joule on 0.2g which is 328 fps, 1.2 joules on 0.2g is 359 fps and max on sites fps wise is 350 fps.

IDK what AEG you have used but mine don't output 1.2 joules, they output 1 joule.

As for finding somewhere else to ply, why should I move when the other players need to change their attitude to game play and stick to the rules, they are there for the benefit of enjoyment, just seems to me a small number of guys that can't stick to the rules or play fair.

If the players at the site you play at are breaking rules, then your first port of call is to report them to the marshalling staff.

If the staff cant/wont do anything about it then vote with your wallet, show them that their failure directly results in loss of customers and revenue. Go somewhere else.

If none of the sites you can travel to are able to provide a decent game then maybe it's time to consider other hobbies.

Yep, they do but giving a description is hard when they all look the same.

Where I live, sites are very far and few, were talking about an hours drive to a game at another site.

All it takes is an attitude adjustment and to play by the rules, it is a game that uses the honour system and if players don't play by the rules and honour system it says a lot about that person.

 

[Emergencychimps]

The only way HPA hurts more than an aeg, bbs (assuming they're the same weight etc) travel faster, the BBS do more damage etc is if the joules of that rif is higher than the aeg players.

If the hpa player has changed their joule setting after chrono it's because they are a cunt. If the site refuse to deal with cunts ....why do you want to play there? Why attend a site/give them your cash and time that has pandering to cunts as it's business model? Why take your child to a site that doesn't deal with players that break health and safety rules that could risk your child's eye sight?

An AEG with the same joules and same weight bb will do the same thing as hpa. Hpa can be tuned to firing very fast, I have seen aegs that have been tuned to fire very fast, generally this is just down to the person behind the system but yes, hpa makes it easier for cunts to cunt. 

My AEG clocks in around 340 fps with a .2, which is just under the 345 limit of the skirmish site I attend. Typically I use gbbr (and the fps is very gas dependent) and I get as many kills etc as when I use an AEG, yet I have far fewer BBS, so I don't buy the whole faster rate of fire/mass of suppression will always win. Though it can have an impact. 

As for where on the body you can and should be shot simply put you have to expect to be shot anywhere, hands, groin, face etc and wear ppe as per your comfort levels. I've aimed at players chests 15 meters away (or so) and ended up getting them in the face, there are many factors that can impact how accurate a bb is you can't get upset about hand shots etc. It's part of the sport. 

 

[alxndrhll]

HPA has a lot to do with it. They cycle faster than AEG, in a game where you have one team of HPA and another of AEG's, the HPA will win because of the rate of fire and power difference.

In the last game I was at, the HPA was recognisable by how much faster the BB's were flying compared to the AEG's it is also noticeable by the fact that I again have small circular bruises despite having a vest, t-shirt, my game top, fleece and a plate carrier, and I have been hit with AEG's and whilst they sting, the HPA fire was actually hurting.

Most sites work on 1 joule on 0.2g which is 328 fps, 1.2 joules on 0.2g is 359 fps and max on sites fps wise is 350 fps.

IDK what AEG you have used but mine don't output 1.2 joules, they output 1 joule.

Misinformation ahoy! You're mistaking a site/sites for failing to regulate joule creep and instead assuming it's malicious intent on the players part.

Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

I can't be bothered going over the rest of it, the chip on your shoulder is too heavy for me to lift off. Just consider that your perspective is tainting all of your opinions, and these fabled other players perhaps aren't the only one that could do with adjusting their attitude. In the meantime enjoy wallowing in your victim complex, because it's thoroughly entertaining to read the no doubt embellished escapades.

 

[Impulse]

HPA has a lot to do with it. They cycle faster than AEG, in a game where you have one team of HPA and another of AEG's, the HPA will win because of the rate of fire and power difference

DSG builds beg to differ. Guy who worked on my SR-25 brought his DSG build down to Worthing last month (with no intention of using it in game) because he knew the marshalls would see the funny side of it. You can definitely make AEGs go brrrrrrrrrrrrrttttttttttt. At that rate of fire, it's usually the mags that become the failing point as they just can't keep up. I also don't buy into the "high ROF = will win", but then again I run bolt actions and "DMRs" so I never have high ROF

Also in terms of power difference, if they're cheating then they're cheating. I could just as easily show up to chrono with my SR-25 which I've kept as an AEG, pass chrono and then go off and change the spring over because it has a quick change spring and slap in a massive one that takes it way over the limit. Also I could take my gas guns to chrono on 144a with .2s, then go away and slap black gas and .48s in all my mags to bring them to something ludicrous like 4J. Couldn't do it with my blowbacks because they'd explode, but m700 and mk23 are both NBBs and my clone mk23 magazines will take high power gas without dying like my TM ones would.

It's not the system, it's the players and the staff. 

 

[Madhouse]

If the site limit is 350fps then HPA is likely to be closer due to the nature of the setup. Just because you (and I as a matter of fact) run AEG's in the 330 range doesn't make the 349.9fps HPA user a cheater. Yeah it's more energy, yeah it's faster and yeah it'll hurt more, but it's still within the rules.

If you reckon someone is cheating then that's what the marshals are for, if you do nothing in-game and then complain on a forum nothing will happen to change your issue.

I wish my RIF was accurate enough to specifically target fingers or any particular part of another player. Generally I'm slinging BB's in their general direction on the off chance one of them will hit ?

If you play this game there is a high likelihood of some very close combat, hell I play CQB most of the time and often look like I've a case of measles the following day! Some of the shots hurt like f**k but that's what you're signing up for when you go on a game day. Last game day I needed cleaning up after a shot broke the skin on my forehead (no complaints from me, didn't even realise till I got some odd looks in the safe zone) and I've even had to get an out of warranty replacement on my watch after I stupidly forgot to take it off and it got smashed by a BB - think it was a pistol that time.

HPA has a bad rep as it's easier to cheat, but that's not the systems fault, it's the users and the marshals.

If all else fails, play somewhere else.

 

[Krisz]

HPA has a lot to do with it. They cycle faster than AEG, in a game where you have one team of HPA and another of AEG's, the HPA will win because of the rate of fire and power difference.

In the last game I was at, the HPA was recognisable by how much faster the BB's were flying compared to the AEG's it is also noticeable by the fact that I again have small circular bruises despite having a vest, t-shirt, my game top, fleece and a plate carrier, and I have been hit with AEG's and whilst they sting, the HPA fire was actually hurting.

Most sites work on 1 joule on 0.2g which is 328 fps, 1.2 joules on 0.2g is 359 fps and max on sites fps wise is 350 fps.

IDK what AEG you have used but mine don't output 1.2 joules, they output 1 joule.

As for finding somewhere else to ply, why should I move when the other players need to change their attitude to game play and stick to the rules, they are there for the benefit of enjoyment, just seems to me a small number of guys that can't stick to the rules or play fair.

Yep, they do but giving a description is hard when they all look the same.

Where I live, sites are very far and few, were talking about an hours drive to a game at another site.

All it takes is an attitude adjustment and to play by the rules, it is a game that uses the honour system and if players don't play by the rules and honour system it says a lot about that person.

DSG cycles just as fast if not faster than an hpa.

Outdoor just easier to abuse joules because distance and foliage and most of the guys look the same regarding gear.

If it hurts that much as you said that's probably not following MED or some cunty behavor like swapping springs, changing BB weight, using heavier gas after chrono. Some people just have main character syndrome and their ego is too big or just sadist by nature.

Personally I would report it to a marshall if nothing happens they are not gonna see me ever again on that site.

Your whole body is fair play, as long as someone doesn't aim for head/groin on purpose like a very famous british gentleman from youtube.

 

[Skara]

Did you know that AEGs and springers propel the BB the same exact way a HPA engine does?

They both use compressed air so technically you should be bitching about those as well, this makes you a hypocrite!

Jokes apart, literally everyone is telling you to have a word with refs or gtfo to find another site, and we have done so for a while.

Yet you prefer to cry on a forum.

 

[Krisz]

DSG cycles just as fast if not faster than an hpa.

Outdoor just easier to abuse joules because distance and foliage and most of the guys look the same regarding gear.

If it hurts that much as you said that's probably not following MED or some county behavor like swapping springs, changing BB weight, using heavier gas after chrono. Some people just have main character syndromre and their ego is too big or just sadist by nature.

Personally I would report it to a marshall if nothing happens they are not gonna see me ever again on that site.

Your whole body is fair play, as long as someone doesn't aim for head/groin on purpose like a very famous british gentleman from youtube.

Please delete this one. Cheers.

 

[Lozart]

HPA has a lot to do with it. They cycle faster than AEG, in a game where you have one team of HPA and another of AEG's, the HPA will win because of the rate of fire and power difference.

In the last game I was at, the HPA was recognisable by how much faster the BB's were flying compared to the AEG's it is also noticeable by the fact that I again have small circular bruises despite having a vest, t-shirt, my game top, fleece and a plate carrier, and I have been hit with AEG's and whilst they sting, the HPA fire was actually hurting.

Most sites work on 1 joule on 0.2g which is 328 fps, 1.2 joules on 0.2g is 359 fps and max on sites fps wise is 350 fps.

IDK what AEG you have used but mine don't output 1.2 joules, they output 1 joule.

As for finding somewhere else to ply, why should I move when the other players need to change their attitude to game play and stick to the rules, they are there for the benefit of enjoyment, just seems to me a small number of guys that can't stick to the rules or play fair.

HPA cycles faster IF you set it up to do that. I've also seen plenty of high ROF guns with batteries.

If the BBs are flying faster then it's more likely that whoever was firing them was using heavier ammo (it retains more energy for longer), that doesn't automatically mean that the FPS was too high.

Some of my guns do 1J, some of them do more (most of them are around 1.1ish, my DMR does around 1.5J). You missed the point though - 1J is 1J regardless of whether it's an AEG, HPA, GBB or a springer. The issue is NOT the system but the user and the people that police those rules at the site.

You're right, you shouldn't have to find a different site but if that specific site attracts the type of player that is going to repeatedly cheat and the marshals aren't addressing it then you have two choices, put up with it or go elsewhere. Like the man said, nut up or shut up.

 

[Terry_Rist]

I wish my RIF was accurate enough to specifically target fingers or any particular part of another player. Generally I'm slinging BB's in their general direction on the off chance one of them will hit ?

This is completely true. Even If I had a super accurate laser gun with sites 100% dialled it I think most of the time I pull the trigger first rather than lining up my shot to deliberately aim at someone's hands. Whenever I get sot somewhere particularly painful that is what I attribute it to with who ever shot me. I doubt they spent ages lining up their shot with malice to shoot me right on the knuckle, it probably just happened to be what ended up getting hit as they shot at me as a whole.