Should the UK leave the EU?

[TheGrover]

So Cameron has cried off like a girl to leave the hard work to someone else, the Scots are banging their Indy drum again, the Irish are even having a go, and now there's French and Dutch politicians saying it's their turn

All in all, an eventful day so far, all we need to do is see bo-jo pit forward for PM and Putin to ask about taking the UKs place in the EU and I'll regret not getting the popcorn out

 

[Aengus]

With the SNP calling for a referendum and the SNPs position on airsoft power limits of 300 fps the potential impact is a lot closer for Scottish airsofters.

So around the same as Japan? Wouldn't be toooo bad

 

[Josh95]

I'm deeply saddened by todays result, most of my friends at university are members of the EU (Greece, Germany, Cyprus, Romania) and I'm scared for their futures and my own.

Time to move down under me thinks

 

[Aengus]

I'm deeply saddened by todays result, most of my friends at university are members of the EU (Greece, Germany, Cyprus, Romania) and I'm scared for their futures and my own.

Time to move down under me thinks

At least you're currently in uni and they'd have to try very hard to fuck it up too badly

Poor voted leave: Poor lose their workers rights cos of it

 

[Jambo88]

With the SNP calling for a referendum and the SNPs position on airsoft power limits of 300 fps the potential impact is a lot closer for Scottish airsofters.

I would take independence over Airsoft any day of the week. You seen how Scotland voted last night but it doesn't matter. We need out of this union so scots can decide what happens in Scotland.

 

[JamesAirsofterAgent]

Our school had a referendum and it was 98% remain...

I really hope Scotland and NI don't leave the UK but, I can see their reasoning. I don't think the leave voters realise what they have done.

 

[Sacarathe]

Our school had a referendum and it was 98% remain...

I really hope Scotland and NI don't leave the UK but, I can see their reasoning. I don't think the leave voters realise what they have done.

It's a victory for stupidity, and the worst thing to happen in the UK in my lifetime.

 

[b1n0gHo5t]

It's a victory for stupidity, and the worst thing to happen in the UK in my lifetime.

 

[BrightCandle]

I would take independence over Airsoft any day of the week. You seen how Scotland voted last night but it doesn't matter. We need out of this union so scots can decide what happens in Scotland.

I am going to continue to keep my side of the debate around the impact on airsoft as I stated before.

I guess one other impact I didn't say before was access to games on the continent and EU players coming to our events. The big milsim events on the continent are pretty cool and my European friends have came over and played with me too. This is going to become harder in the future being outside of the EU we will probably need travel visa's for such an event and potentially a lot more paperwork for moving airsoft guns out of the country.

 

[Sitting Duck]

I would take independence over Airsoft any day of the week. You seen how Scotland voted last night but it doesn't matter. We need out of this union so scots can decide what happens in Scotland.

Irony is that was what the referendum was all about too - Be careful what you wish for as the saying goes.....

Sturgeon is wise to wait and see, Scotland going it alone could be like throwing more petrol and some live rounds on the fire for all of UK

 

[Jambo88]

I am going to continue to keep my side of the debate around the impact on airsoft as I stated before.

I guess one other impact I didn't say before was access to games on the continent and EU players coming to our events. The big milsim events on the continent are pretty cool and my European friends have came over and played with me too. This is going to become harder in the future being outside of the EU we will probably need travel visa's for such an event and potentially a lot more paperwork for moving airsoft guns out of the country.

It would no more difficult than getting a visa for turkey, all done online takes 5mins and costs about a tenner. No big deal really. Airlines decide how Airsoft guns get moved. I checked and to get a Airsoft gun in and out of the UK and USA is easy. The airline make it difficult as some refuse to carry them.

 

[Jambo88]

Irony is that was what the referendum was all about too - Be careful what you wish for as the saying goes.....

Sturgeon is wise to wait and see, Scotland going it alone could be like throwing more petrol and some live rounds on the fire for all of UK

The majority of no votes came from the over 60s. 16-45 were a majority yes. The UK is fucked now, NI want out and Scotland want out. That leaves England and Wales who are so dependent on England they may aswell be the county of Wales.

 

[b1n0gHo5t]

The majority of no votes came from the over 60s. 16-45 were a majority yes. The UK is f*cked now, NI want out and Scotland want out. That leaves England and Wales who are so dependent on England they may aswell be the county of Wales.

 

[Sitting Duck]

The majority of no votes came from the over 60s. 16-45 were a majority yes. The UK is f*cked now, NI want out and Scotland want out. That leaves England and Wales who are so dependent on England they may aswell be the county of Wales.

End of the day it doesn't really matter where the votes came from - everybody had a vote

If people don't like democracy when it doesn't go their way then maybe try North Korea

think the weather might be a bit better than Scotland this time of year

And though I genuinely feel sorry the Remain campaign and Scotland saying 2/3rd wanted to remain in EU

That is f*ck all compared to most of London who have a total population of about 50% more people than Scotland

AND further more up to 78.6% of many London boroughs voted to remain in EU

But still the democratic vote went to leave UK, this was a shock to nigh on most of the world not just UK

But 2 years ago, Scotland voted to stay in UK - not UK voted if Scotland should stay in UK but Scotland themselves alone

(and you was aware that a UK EU referendum "could" happen at some point perhaps)

Next the whole UK voted on the paper it clearly f*cking said should UK remain/leave the EU - not Scotland

So rather than get dragged into a bitching war further I'm gonna remind all of UK including Scotland & Northern Ireland

Be careful what you wish for....

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What you want & what you get are often very different

Edit - not up to me to suggest stuff to Scotland - that is for you and Sturgeon to sort out

Wish you well whatever Scotland decides - no hard feelings

 

[Lozart]

End of the day it doesn't really matter where the votes came from - everybody had a vote

If people don't like democracy when it doesn't go their way then maybe try North Korea

think the weather might be a bit better than Scotland this time of year

And though I genuinely feel sorry the Remain campaign and Scotland saying 2/3rd wanted to remain in EU

That is f*ck all compared to most of London who have a total population of about 50% more people than Scotland

AND further more up to 78.6% of many London boroughs voted to remain in EU

But still the democratic vote went to leave UK, this was a shock to nigh on most of the world not just UK

But 2 years ago, Scotland voted to stay in UK - not UK voted if Scotland should stay in UK but Scotland themselves alone

(and you was aware that a UK EU referendum "could" happen at some point perhaps)

Next the whole UK voted on the paper it clearly f*cking said should UK remain/leave the EU - not Scotland

So rather than get dragged into a bitching war further I'm gonna remind all of UK including Scotland & Northern Ireland

Be careful what you wish for....

&

What you want & what you get are often very different

Edit - not up to me to suggest stuff to Scotland - that is for you and Sturgeon to sort out

Wish you well whatever Scotland decides - no hard feelings

Worth remembering when bandying about phrases like "if people don't like democracy" the ones that wanted to stay in the eu didn't want a referendum in the first place.

 

[Sitting Duck]

Worth remembering when bandying about phrases like "if people don't like democracy" the ones that wanted to stay in the eu didn't want a referendum in the first place.

Tough - we was given a choice, what we did about it was down to each individual in the end

We all have to make choices - many we would rather not make or decide for ourselves sometimes

Conservatives were banging on about a referendum for ages so people who voted in General elections knew it might be on the cards

An important issue like this put to the people to decide - sounds like very democratic to me

a while back, Scotland gets granted a vote for YES / NO but chose to remain in UK than go it alone

Cameron gets elected so he has to honour HIS promise he made of EU referendum

(sure he was hoping for another hung government and could wiggle out of referendum he promised if Tories won outright)

So as Scotland had recently been given a chance to vote regarding UK and democratically decided to stay in UK

Then pray tell why should this referendum on EU promise by Cameron to the British people not be allowed to go ahead ???

Slightly different result this time so times have changed - yes it is a close call proving the country is divided but we know how much now

Very deeply divided - but as for now to consider breaking up a divided UK to even more divisions instead of trying to work together...

Well that is just insane and asking for pure chaos on top of everything else

We can bitch & moan about it until the cows come home,

The younger voters will no doubt get another chance at some point possibly in near future as already the EU is considering looking at Freedom of movement issues - whoa I wonder what brought that about ????

But rant over - EVERYBODY's vote is just as important - regardless of age young or old - end of

so stop bitching about who voted what way ffs

if people didn't vote or believed one pack of liars over another then tough $hit

Democracy is about having a choice - even if you would rather not want it

WE are in this now and will have to see what amount of $hit hits the fan for how long

But the wheels did not fall off my car on Friday, World is still going round and we have endured far worse than this or ERM crash & numerous recessions again & again....

Look I'm really trying to bow out of this coz I don't want to start throwing crap about

I will leave that to the politicians really - but still think deep down if we all thought EU was all hunky dory happy family stuff we would of remained in it - heck probably never needed to hold a referendum

 

[proffrink]

Thought I'd let you all know that the £250 billion in liquidity that the Bank of England has allocated to boosting post-referendum EU markets to keep the pound stable is worth 19 years of EU membership fees (by the most conservative estimate - i.e. post rebate, so it's actually more like 25+ years).

I was gunna write something else about the FTSE here but frankly we all know the next three months are/were going to be poop anyway - that's just the nature of uncertainty. I think it'd be unfair to attack that angle right now as this are being renegotiated and the markets calm down.

Also I gotta admit watching Barclays crash by 35% was pretty amusing.

 

[Sitting Duck]

Quite funny some of the Europe stock markets took a bigger hit than London market

Financial bankers were starting to make a nice earner the eve of results day hence the massive big crash they all quoted

Worth noting the £ to Euro was once at £1 to €1.02 end of 2008, £1 to €1.105 in July '11, Just over 3 yrs ago £1 to €1.13 even

The US dollar dropped a bit to under £1 to $1.50 as soon as US started to raise their interest rates end of 2015 - often about £1 to $1.45ish

but these glitches are nothing compared to the ar$e falling out in 1985 when £1 was worth $1.05 !!!!

So if the city & bankers got it wrong (again), made another profit on the eve of results - soz but I have little sympathy for them tbh

I'm not $hitting myself or pi$$ my pants just yet the moment markets wobble a bit which was expected a little bit

Like I said - we have seen a lot worse over the years

(damn it - trying to stay out of it)

 

[Jedi_Master]

Also I gotta admit watching Barclays crash by 35% was pretty amusing.

That is where the clever people would have purchased shares when stock is low knowing that they will recover again and make a nice profit. After the Northern Rock debacle, Barclays shares fell by about 75% and recovered again.

 

[Russe11]

At least you're currently in uni and they'd have to try very hard to f*ck it up too badly

Poor voted leave: Poor lose their workers rights cos of it

UK workers have more paid holiday than required by the EU. Minimum wage is better than most of the EU and the working hours regulations were passed by our parliament so will remain law after we leave.

It is the short term uncertainty that is affecting the markets, not any actual facts.

The UK will almost certainly stay in the EEA so trade and migration with EU countries will not be affected. We will now however be free to make trade agreements with non-EU countries and Canada and the US are already clamoring to do this. Even Germany has said they want a trade agreement, but they can't make one (they will have to get the EU to make an agreement or in other words fight to keep us in the EEA).

Immigration will actually not be affected. EU citizens will almost certainly still be able to come and live in the UK. Non EU immigration was never controlled by the EU, which is why Calais is currently a bit fooked atm. What will change is that we will no longer have to pay benefits to anyone who manages to get across the channel. If the french decide to revoke the agreement which allows Britain to conduct immigration checks in France and vice versa, this will mean that the immigrant camp will still be in Calais, because everyone will be trying to get out of Britain into France, where EU rules mean they get benefits.

Exports to the EU will still have to conform to EU regulations.

Healthcare agreements with most of Europe actually predate the EU (anyone remember the E111?).

Once all of this is formalised in a couple of years Britains economy will recover and start to reap the benefits, meanwhile we will be able to sit back and watch the EU disintegrate as everyone else realises what a fantastic idea it was to leave.