Should the UK leave the EU?

[Sitting Duck]

The experts were right in saying jobs may suffer....

Particularly if you are a Politician - jeez the fallout is just hilarious to watch them bitch and squabble blaming everybody else

Also reports coming in for education that they are now having to restructure many things....

"Where's Wally" books are now going to include a much harder version called:

"Where's George Osborne" for the very clever vote hunters to try & locate but he is very very good at going into hiding many say

 

[Sacarathe]

Nothing is final in democracy, as much as leave vocal voters would have you believe otherwise this week and likewise last week.

 

[Sacarathe]

An important issue like this put to the people to decide - sounds like very democratic to me

Cameron gets elected so he has to honour HIS promise he made of EU referendum

He does?

 

[Sitting Duck]

He does?

Yes - weird that politicians keeping a promise or two now n then...

But he said it and he did give the UK the referendum he promised

edit - sod my daft ideas & suggestions

the f*cking politicians should be putting forward stuff than bitching

bollox to it all - we can't seem to get along so what the f*ck now

 

[proffrink]

A promise as large as a referendum doesn't get forgotten. Not having one would have basically assured no Conservative government in 2020, so from Dave's perspective it had to be done.

It's now all about how Brussels want to take this: Keep the UK as a key client for a lot of German and French exports at the cost of looking lenient and risk countries like Greece and Italy with their own independence movements gathering traction or try to make an example of the UK and risk losing a great deal of trade. Obviously it's going to fall somewhere in the middle, but the initial murmurs from Germany are that they want to approach this cautiously. My feeling is that they're going to have some extremely drawn-out conversations over the next 12 months and there's going to be the usual trickle of information feeding into the public.

Wild speculation: I think they're going to remove a lot of the social benefits and keep the economical ones. i.e. removing the right to free movement without a visa, but leaving current trade deals largely intact. The EU doesn't want a recession, but they still have to look like they're sticking it to the UK a bit - largely social benefit removal would be a good way to do this. Making a big fuss over withdrawing the money they send us for infrastructure etc. because it'll make headline but ultimately isn't a huge deal like some of the more complex trade is.

Still, really wanted to see a properly united Europe with the fat trimmed off (low economic performers with semi-corrupt governments like Greece) and a centralised government that doesn't just dip its hand in when it wants to like Brussels does/did, but is instead a fairly elected and properly weighted parliament based on concentration of population (i.e. the UK - for example - would get more representation as it has a far denser population than say Czech Republic. State system like the US in that state-level laws can still be made. My opinion is still that we could have worked towards this quicker from the inside, but yeh.

I just feel like the vote last week has meant I will never see this in my lifetime now, and that's pretty saddening. It's the natural course of things for countries to merge and for larger territories to be governed by a single system (it's just always going to be more efficient), and I think this is going to be the wake-up call for the EU to start reforming the way it governs. It's just a shame that we had to be the ones on the outside rather than any other country.

 

[Sitting Duck]

Think we have to accept we are a little divided but still have to come together ffs

Hope we get some clarity and unity real soon is all I can say

 

[padraigthesniper]

We are going to be incredibly divided if this Referendum is acted upon by whoever takes Camerons place looks like Boris is getting cold feet he was shitting himself at his speech. All i know we are much worse off now whether we leave or not. Its not a good time when every weekend you can hear in the distance drunk skin heads shouting EDL and other much more questionable remarks. If we leave and Scotland and Wales and Northern Island dont become independent from our "independence" (LOL) then i will be very surprised.

 

[Sitting Duck]

That is the reason why we need to keep the extreme nutters out of the way - well out of the way

Farage - he is like the drunk Uncle Nigel at a family do

Watch Uncle Nige, he has a drink and goes round upsetting everybody like he did at Aunt Rene's funeral

(every family has got one so to speak)

"some" of what he said struck a cord - but f*ck me he goes way way too far sometimes most of the time

but also there are plenty of others on all sides in UK and EU that go way too far with their views left or right

(which is not helping one bit)

Boris - well many say why not but think we need a slightly more respected PM like Ian Duncan Smith is my view

(he was leader on Conservatives for a while so don't know if this could happen)

But all the same the we need a good sensible lot of remain/leave to start to sort this out - calmly without throwing dummies out of their political prams

But throwing more crap about & threats is not going to help and screw up the markets/economy even more

 

[AK47frizzle]

RIP Freddos are going to be £1 each

 

[jcheeseright]

That's OK, £1 isn't what it used to be.

 

[Sitting Duck]

Freddo's don't matter as they are all fake now since Kraft bought Cadburys

It ain't Blitish and its not the same Chocolate any more - it has a more soya synthetic taste for a while now

no doubt they will take out sugar & replace with something else once sugar tax kicks in

 

[Sacarathe]

Freddo's don't matter as they are all fake now since Kraft bought Cadburys

It ain't Blitish and its not the same Chocolate any more - it has a more soya synthetic taste for a while now

no doubt they will take out sugar & replace with something else once sugar tax kicks in

With the price increases I don't think that tax's disincentive elements will be necessary as any longer.

 

[jcheeseright]

Freddo's don't matter as they are all fake now since Kraft bought Cadburys

It ain't Blitish and its not the same Chocolate any more - it has a more soya synthetic taste for a while now

no doubt they will take out sugar & replace with something else once sugar tax kicks in

Maybe if they took the sugar out of everything there would be fewer fat kids around!

 

[Sitting Duck]

Just keeps getting better & better this stuff.....

It really is just like a messy divorce now - so much for trying to see if we can work something out or part on good terms

Oh well - f*ck trying to talk stuff over let alone think of going to Relate or the John Kerry school of I can solve anything...

Now it turns out some of the "kids" involved - Scotland & Gibraltar are already chatting about living with one EU parent

BUT now it gets even better - Germany & others are now saying no informal chats until Article 50 is started !!!

OK - well now it starts to get more $hitty I guess

OK well out come the lawyers, gets rather messy, more money being lost on all sides

and the kids - well in the end they will no doubt be told where they are going......

Ah - sod it, I'm ordering in the popcorn now (English of course)

coz it looks like lots of drama with no chance of a happy ending

 

[jcheeseright]

Who knew the EU member countries would make us pay?

Oh that's right, everyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together.

 

[b1n0gHo5t]

anyone got some chips..for all this salt?

 

[jcheeseright]

Are you surprised people are salty? the UK lost 120 BILLION in 20 minutes, that's more than we paid into the EU since we joined, my personal savings are now worth a LOT less than they were before and it's fairly likely that my mortgage is going to be significantly more expensive.

What have we gained? Sovereignty... don't make me laugh, we're still going to have to be in the EEA which will mean we'll have to abide by EU rules anyway!

 

[Sitting Duck]

forget the popcorn I've ordered a pizza for this fallout

Reckon there is going to game out later this year

probably something like:

Financial Warfare II - this time it's personal

(special limited edition will include the original shadow cabinet members and ultra stealthy George Osborne playable characters)

probably followed by the next installment:

Financial Warfare III - Everyone for themselves

(the "We all lose" edition)

 

[Sacarathe]

I hope the next general election does not turn into a leave vs remain as I would like to have more voting choices than just whomever is willing to stand up and say "f*ck the referrendum".

Would rather have repeated referendums like the polls a jury goes through to convict or exhonerate by majority.

Incidentally, I voted in the Boston Borough.

my personal savings are now worth a LOT less than they were before

I feel your pain, I sat opposite my parents (moved in with them on friday) at breakfast and was asked to leave the room when I told (politely/depressively berated) them about how their vote has cost me thousands so far. And that's without factoring in the drop in value of our currency. The only silver lining is that I've got several thousand USD. I never imagined this result and i've only myself to blame for not preparing for it.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

I feel your pain, I sat opposite my parents (moved in with them on friday) at breakfast and was asked to leave the room when I told (politely/depressively berated) them about how their vote has cost me thousands so far. And that's without factoring in the drop in value of our currency. The only silver lining is that I've got several thousand USD. I never imagined this result and i've only myself to blame for not preparing for it.

People need to stop panicking about the drop, everybody knew it would happen but hopefully it will pick back up.

There are a lot of knee jerk reactions but nobody knows where its going for definite yet as crystal balls dont really work.

The EU wasn't working as it was meant to so maybe the gamble will pay off or maybe it wont. But either way it probably won't stay as bad as it looks at the moment.

I still think this could be the shake up the EU needs to get it back on the right track and maybe there will be enough changes that a deal can be struck for us to remain in a way that benefits the average person better.

As someone who has a family and is living in the middle ground it wasn't working for me and lots of other people in the same boat.

One thing people need to think about before slinging mud is that whether its right or wrong for your perspective or situation doesn't mean that your view is right because everybody's view is different but everybody cant be right.

We are where we are now so lets deal with it as acting like children squabbling in a playground won't help. Its time to move forward not cry in a corner.