Sending new guns to a tech.

[Tactical Pith Helmet]

Actually thinking about it...

Venom blueprinted and tuned Weihrauch rifles and Rigby did the same with Mausers, and both still do.

WTF this has to do with the topic I'm not sure.  Your comment just sent me off down memory lane.  

 

[Badgerlicious]

I'm guessing you've not seen the inside of a Cyma or JG recently then?

For reference this is a JG G3, tried it, wanted to fit a better motor as the rate of fire was woeful. When I saw the gobs of horrible brown shite all over the motor shaft when I took it out I decided to open the gearbox and was greeted with the enormous amount of sticky, nasty crap you see here:

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I'm not sure if this is better or worse than my recent nuprol purchase that was bone dry inside the gearbox. 

I will always advocate for people learning at least the basic "teching" skills. Why spend a couple of days airsofting money and waiting for a few weeks when you could spend an hour doing your own basic service? 

 

[Danno46]

Pop's Yoshimura did this for a living and was a legend.  He would take new Suzuki engines to bits and reassemble them 100% correctly as the designers blueprint.  Without swapping a single component he would get IIRC, about 8% extra power.   They were also more reliable for endurance racing.  

In the '70s thru to the 90's, if you bought a Ural or Enfield, you trailered it home and swapped the pistons, valves, carbs, big ends and gearbox bushes!

Those days are gone thank fuck.

Don’t forget Tony Scott who,also,did this with Honda v4 engines for,the TT

 

[Lozart]

Pop's Yoshimura did this for a living and was a legend.  He would take new Suzuki engines to bits and reassemble them 100% correctly as the designers blueprint.  Without swapping a single component he would get IIRC, about 8% extra power.   They were also more reliable for endurance racing.  

In the '70s thru to the 90's, if you bought a Ural or Enfield, you trailered it home and swapped the pistons, valves, carbs, big ends and gearbox bushes!

Those days are gone thank fuck.

Blueprinting an engine does require changing out components to be able to meet the design spec. Sometimes it's just a bit of lapping and polishing but if the tolerances are too far out, you have to change components.

But yes, Yoshimura. Legend.

 

[Groot]

OP. 

The best thing you can do is get a Cyma or Specna arms for as cheap as possible or even better second hand. 

Then send that to a tech with a known rep and be prepared to wait to send it to one that is busy for good reason. 

You will end up with a better build, for less money then buying a premium TM.

These days you would want to get the gearbox short stroked anyway. So its going to need to see some love at somepoint.
You may as well start that process as early as possible.

 

[Druid799]

OP. 

The best thing you can do is get a Cyma or Specna arms for as cheap as possible or even better second hand. 

Then send that to a tech with a known rep and be prepared to wait to send it to one that is busy for good reason. 

You will end up with a better build, for less money then buying a premium TM.

These days you would want to get the gearbox short stroked anyway. So its going to need to see some love at somepoint.
You may as well start that process as early as possible.

And in one fell swoop a comment that completely ignores all that have gone before ! ???

Me personally I’ve always felt unless a new gun is REALLY REALLY performing badly no matter how cheap or expensive it may be once it’s opened up you’ve started the countdown timer on it , near all ‘upgraded’ guns will die in the future it’s just a case when it’ll happen . Generally speaking most short comings of new guns can be overcome by improving your own in game skills and NOT just relying on the gun to have the longest range/ highest rate of fire or fastest trigger response , I’ve seen plenty of players dominate the game field with a shite rental or bottom end of the market AEG because they has the skills . Always have AND always will believe player skill will defeat expensive kit hands down every time no question.

 

[Groot]

And in one fell swoop a comment that completely ignores all that have gone before ! ???

Me personally I’ve always felt unless a new gun is REALLY REALLY performing badly no matter how cheap or expensive it may be once it’s opened up you’ve started the countdown timer on it , near all ‘upgraded’ guns will die in the future it’s just a case when it’ll happen . Generally speaking most short comings of new guns can be overcome by improving your own in game skills and NOT just relying on the gun to have the longest range/ highest rate of fire or fastest trigger response , I’ve seen plenty of players dominate the game field with a shite rental or bottom end of the market AEG because they has the skills . Always have AND always will believe player skill will defeat expensive kit hands down every time no question.

What?

AEG's die or last for ages. Only rule for me is never buy a heavily upgraded 2nd hand gunless you plan to instantly open it and un-funk some "experts" work.

Skill is great and all.... half decent skills with extra range and consistency, is even better.

Fortunately for me... I'm fucking amazing and also have really meta builds. 

*now rub my nipples*

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[EDcase]

Eeeew manboobs ?

The OP did say that he doesn't send AEGs for upgrades, just to be greased and shimmed  ?

 

[Groot]

Eeeew manboobs ?

The OP did say that he doesn't send AEGs for upgrades, just to be greased and shimmed  ?

Cutting a few teeth and getting the power right, is not what i would consider an upgrade. 

Also, they are called bitch tits!!

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[Druid799]

What?

AEG's die or last for ages. Only rule for me is never buy a heavily upgraded 2nd hand gunless you plan to instantly open it and un-funk some "experts" work.

Skill is great and all.... half decent skills with extra range and consistency, is even better.

Fortunately for me... I'm fucking amazing and also have really meta builds. 

*now rub my nipples*

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Think you really need to cut back on the caffeine ! ?

 

[Rogerborg]

he OP did say that he doesn't send AEGs for upgrades, just to be greased and shimmed  ?

That's the baffling bit, it's not like it's difficult to do that yourself.

And viewed holistically, every owner with a working gun who takes up Luke's time with a strip-and-lube stops him fixing someone else's VFC.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

stops him fixing someone else's VFC, denying us an entertaining rant video.

ftfy

 

[Lozart]

That's the baffling bit, it's not like it's difficult to do that yourself.

That's fair enough, I definitely think learning to tech yourself is good, I can sort of muddle through it myself but I just don't have the time unfortunately.

Time is precious and believe it or not some people find that they just don't have the time to do everything themselves.

And remember kids - if a job's worth doing, it's worth paying someone else to do it for you.

 

[Tommikka]

Time is precious and believe it or not some people find that they just don't have the time to do everything themselves.

And remember kids - if a job's worth doing, it's worth paying someone else to do it for you.

This can be a key distinction:

Basic maintenance or technical work?

The original question points towards ‘technical work to fix manufacture faults’ and should be pointless —— go back to the seller on what is not fit for purpose

Users should be capable of basic maintenance - which may or may not apply.  
It could be high maintenance super special —— so if you can’t maintain it then don’t buy it, or decide you do want to and throw the money into someone competent to do it for you

It could be low maintenance - basic adjustments, cleaning, lube —- ideally learn to do it, or waste money and peoples time 

It could be zero maintenance (including not bothering to conduct low maintenance) —- just go out and play until something doesn’t work

 

[Jez_Armstrong]

That's the baffling bit, it's not like it's difficult to do that yourself.

And viewed holistically, every owner with a working gun who takes up Luke's time with a strip-and-lube stops him fixing someone else's VFC.

I like VFC ?