Sending new guns to a tech.

[Rogerborg]

Yeah I just sent a gun to negative airsoft actually

You did put some Haribo in the package, right?  Tangfastics get the quickest service.

Well, you won't get any arguments about the choice of tech.

However, that's 4 months when you won't get to play with your new toy.  I'm not judging, I get that some of us enjoy the collecting as much as the playing, but you don't even get to hang it on the wall for that time.

As to the value for money, I would view it this way.  If a retailer that also did teching listed the same RIF at two prices, one "as stock, best RIF ever", one £75 higher listed as "pre-serviced, bestest RIF ever", would you pay the higher price?

Me, I'd be wondering what's wrong with it, that it needs pre-fixed.

Looking at you, VFC.

 

[Tackle]

The other issue is how many people say "just a shim and grease please"

There's a lot of FOMO in airsoft - people who've never even used their guns asking how to get max range, accuracy and even ROF from them. So there's a lot of "make my gun the best it can be" which means new gears, piston, mosfet, a barrel etc and even paintjobs!

Nothing increases range and fps better than a nice paint job ?

Plus it's monetary value skyrockets ?

All jokes aside though, if I bought a brand new gun, whether it was a £120 cyma or & £600 recoil, if it then needed money spent degreasing or shimming etc, I'd be returning it to the retailer as "not fit for purpose", for either a full refund or the issues to be corrected. 

 

[Albiscuit]

I agree with what you're saying but I'm not talking about having upgrades done straight out of the box, I was specifically talking about only having it serviced.

Totally get you on this, but my logic says if its open for a service, and warranty voided, why not upgrade it at the same time?

But then I only have 1 'upgraded' gun and that was a pointless waste of time   

Tell a lie, I have fiddled around with two pistols so you could say they are upgraded, but I done those myself and neither are in total working order so likely not haha

The other issue is how many people say "just a shim and grease please"

There's a lot of FOMO in airsoft - people who've never even used their guns asking how to get max range, accuracy and even ROF from them. So there's a lot of "make my gun the best it can be" which means new gears, piston, mosfet, a barrel etc and even paintjobs!

They quickly become triggers broom though dont they.

Like the sales posts with "everything upgraded" its not the same gun then is it? its a frankengun.

 

[Cr0-Magnon]

Like the sales posts with "everything upgraded" its not the same gun then is it? its a frankengun.

Yep, change the stock parts on the off chance that they would have failed at some point within the next three years....sell the gun two months later! Only then are you a proper airsofter.

 

[nemokingdom]

You did put some Haribo in the package, right?  Tangfastics get the quickest service.

Haha I didn't, missed an opportunity.

However, I would view it this way.  If a retailer that also did teching listed the same RIF at two prices, one "as stock, best RIF ever", one £75 higher listed as "pre-serviced, bestest RIF ever", would you pay the higher price?

Yeah I'd pay the high price personally, subject to the retailer having a good reputation for their work. Would also probably depend on the manufacturer, since some stuff is more prone to common issues than others. For example, VFC.

 

[Tommikka]

If it doesn’t work out if the box, then take that up with the retailer 

Buy from a UK retailer then you have come back on it being ‘fit fit purpose’

They are manufactured/assembled to a standard - probably that ‘it works out of the box’

Not the most efficient or optimised for range, velocity, etc

If you want it optimised in a manner then that’s what you want tech assistance for

You could call upon a retailers ‘extra value’ service with proper techs, or a manufacturer approved tech

Are there many of them in the world or UK for airsoft?

Or you could learn yourself, get to know how your RIF is built & works and then know how to solve problems 

Unlike a team mate of mine with a particular gun (paintball):

He bought it, it ran fine for one day, kept breaking down the next game day.

So he used another gun and sent his back to tech.  Ignoring our cries that it old outdated, heavy & unreliable mechanical tech.  If he’s not able to easily diagnose then he needs to change to a modern reliable easy maintain gun

It came back with no problems found but a service 

It ran fine for a day, and then broke down the next game

Repeat

At a major event he sees an alternate model of the same gun in the bargain bucket and buys it.  Takes it out to play and it’s fine for 5 minutes then keeps failing.

The tech desk is there, he takes it to them

They throw his Poundland battery out and give him a decent one

It works 

 

[EDcase]

Its like buying a new car then taking it straight to a garage saying, "Take the engine apart to check its all good" ?

nemokingdom

I hope you convert to DEANS and use a good Li-Po and intelligent charger.

Those are more important for a new gun to work well.

 

[Jacob Wright]

Is there a point to be made here;

’If you buy a gun and it doesn’t do what you want it to/you’re not sure how sound it is internally; buy a different gun?’

(Apologies if it’s already been made and I’ve missed it ?)

 

[Asomodai]

I always assume that the Rifle will need to be opened up at somepoint. 

I also have so many rifles all of which have been upgraded to a certain standard. This means that brand new rifles rarely get fielded until it's known weaknesses have been rectified and the gearbox radiused and shimmed correctly. This is to prolong it's life in the long run, especially if proprietary parts are involved. 

 

[Adolf Hamster]

They quickly become triggers broom though dont they.

Like the sales posts with "everything upgraded" its not the same gun then is it? its a frankengun.

i prefer "fully upgraded" on  guns that still have some stock parts.

i did come close to a legitimate "full upgrade" once, but the outer barrel was still original so didn't count

 

[Impulse]

Most stock guns don't need anything swapping out anyway. Most can benefit from a Maple Leaf rubber / omega nub combination, but other than that guns generally come pretty great out of the box as long as it's from a reputable brand (G&G, ICS, Cyma, JG, TM etc.)

Unless you're chasing performance, I'm generally of the opinion of "use it stock until it breaks" as then you'll get a good feeling for what you want to do with it, as well as making the most efficient use of the parts. Unless it's a BASR. Those typically require tweaking and fine tuning as they're pretty underwhelming out of the box.

I wasted a bunch of money throwing parts at making my TM m14 an AEG-based DMR and I hated it. Literally wasted about £200 on parts because I ended up HPAing it instead and stripping all the parts out, since that was far more useful to how I play and I only really discovered the world of HPA about a year later.

 

[Rogerborg]

the gearbox radiused

That's a reasonable point, although V3 is already pretty chonky, and Specna Arms (for example) are pre-radiusing their V2s.  Not that it stops them breaking, mind.

Actually, having an (actual) tech pre-fix / pre-upgrade something like a VFC MP7, M249 or other trick or fragile gearbox might be an idea.  It's also a good sign that you should avoid them though.

 

[Lozart]

All jokes aside though, if I bought a brand new gun, whether it was a £120 cyma or & £600 recoil, if it then needed money spent degreasing or shimming etc, I'd be returning it to the retailer as "not fit for purpose", for either a full refund or the issues to be corrected. 

I'm guessing you've not seen the inside of a Cyma or JG recently then?

For reference this is a JG G3, tried it, wanted to fit a better motor as the rate of fire was woeful. When I saw the gobs of horrible brown shite all over the motor shaft when I took it out I decided to open the gearbox and was greeted with the enormous amount of sticky, nasty crap you see here:

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[Rogerborg]

Huh, at least they got it more-or-less on the gears rather than just spunking it randomly inside the shell.

It does make me laugh when folk ask "wut am best loob?" when the answer versus factory snot is just about anything that you have to hand.

 

[Lozart]

Huh, at least they got it more-or-less on the gears

More by luck than judgement I'd wager!

 

[Adolf Hamster]

to be fair to jg, the ones i've seen have still been running smooth despite the earwax grease, plastic pistons and suboptimal shimming.

certainly nowhere near as egregious as some of the stuff you see folk voluntarily doing to their guns

 

[Tactical Pith Helmet]

Its like buying a new car then taking it straight to a garage saying, "Take the engine apart to check its all good" ?

Pop's Yoshimura did this for a living and was a legend.  He would take new Suzuki engines to bits and reassemble them 100% correctly as the designers blueprint.  Without swapping a single component he would get IIRC, about 8% extra power.   They were also more reliable for endurance racing.  

In the '70s thru to the 90's, if you bought a Ural or Enfield, you trailered it home and swapped the pistons, valves, carbs, big ends and gearbox bushes!

Those days are gone thank fuck.

 

[EDcase]

Pop's Yoshimura did this for a living and was a legend.  He would take new Suzuki engines to bits and reassemble them 100% correctly as the designers blueprint.  Without swapping a single component he would get IIRC, about 8% extra power.   They were also more reliable for endurance racing.  

In the '70s thru to the 90's, if you bought a Ural or Enfield, you trailered it home and swapped the pistons, valves, carbs, big ends and gearbox bushes!

Those days are gone thank fuck.

Yeah, of course that's standard practice for racing cars.

Not so much for popping to Tesco ?

 

[Tommikka]

Pop's Yoshimura did this for a living and was a legend.  He would take new Suzuki engines to bits and reassemble them 100% correctly as the designers blueprint.  Without swapping a single component he would get IIRC, about 8% extra power.   They were also more reliable for endurance racing.  

In the '70s thru to the 90's, if you bought a Ural or Enfield, you trailered it home and swapped the pistons, valves, carbs, big ends and gearbox bushes!

Those days are gone thank fuck.

I bet that Pops Yoshimura never bought from BBguns4less then stripped the gun down to rebuild it

 

[Tactical Pith Helmet]

Yeah, of course that's standard practice for racing cars.

Not so much for popping to Tesco ?

No jesting, if you bought a Dnieper for chugging to work and back you rebuilt the bastard before running it on the standard parts damaged something.  

You probably went to the International or Lyons Corner Tea House rather than Tesco mind.