Russian loadouts thread

[MSSW Rune]

On a different tack, there is an increasing number of players touting AK derivatives and I see G&G are recognising this by launching AK receivers with western stocks etc to attract a more general audience. Maybe players are getting a little fed up of the common M4/AR15 platform and looking for something different ?

Anyway, Russian loadouts are often seen as expensive and confusing because there are so many and you cant just buy it up the local army surplus store.

A guide to getting into Russian kit, starting from the basic economy solutions to the more rare would probably go down well.

Yeah the scene has really picked up over the last 4 years or so. A guide wouldn't be a bad idea actually. I'll see what I can put together for some basic and cheaper kits to get people started and where is best to source the items. There are now dedicated stores in the UK who stock Russian kit so it's becoming quite easy to get now unlike 5 or 6 years ago.

I'll see what I can put together and people can add to it as they please if I make a new thread for it

 

[Baz JJ]

Yeah, I was under the impression that you had to go to Russia for kit as all I see are adverts for the main suppliers in Russia and Finland.

Im not really into Russian kit for my own use, but if I were, this would put me off.

 

[MSSW Rune]

Yeah there are 3 UK shops now I believe. 2 of which mainly just buy from Russia to order but have small bits in stock and one who stocks a fair bit UK side. Ru for you is one of the best choices as they have good UK stock and he's really reliable and honest. If you want something more specialist he will also order it in for you as he has friends in Russia who can hunt down what you want for very competitive price.

 

[Baz JJ]

Even more reasons for a guide.

I suspect that this people are well known to the inner circle and aficionados but largely unknown to your average weekend skirmisher.

Is Niko T one of these suppliers ?

 

[MSSW Rune]

Yes niko runs ru for you. Great guy to skirmish with and he has some of the most competitive prices about. I'll start a basic guide today and post it when I'm finished.

 

[Dentonboy]

DIY Russian loadout starter for less than thirty notes- http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172483735279

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

This makes me chuckle. Personally I wouldn't comment on kit if I hadn't used it as I don't have any issues with hit taking and nore do any of the locals I play with. The last one actually hurts the most as it's a thin summer suit and stings like a sod.

The excuse that people can't feel bbs in armour is just trying to cover up bad sportsmanship to be honest. I never have issues with it and if I'm ever unsure I just take a hit.

This issue with the last outfit isn't the thickness its how loose it is. Those loose flappy suits quite often catch bbs without the wearer knowing as it only takes a small amount of material to slow the bb down dramatically. I direct hit might be felt but the ones that only catch the clothes won't and that is all the shooter sees.
I don't think it is bad sportmanship from my experience and would definitely say too much gear plays a part. Every airsofter takes hits without knowing occasionally because of mag pouches and stuff but it's up to us to try and minimise these incidents.

You say you always call your hits and if unsure call them as well and that's exactly as it should be but how do you know you call them all if you dont feel a lot of them? That goes for every airsofter though, people really should try and just use a highcrapper one day so they don't need all the kit and wear jeans and a thin top. Bet you a lot of players would get hit more than they are used to.

Not saying that's the way it should always be played but it does make you realise how much PC/vests and other gear can mask hits.

 

[MSSW Rune]

DIY Russian loadout starter for less than thirty notes- http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172483735279

From my experience and teammates I would avoid. I have had 2 of those thin over suits and they fall apart within a few games from my experience. If you want something for a one off fair enough but for something that lasts I would say get a sso sumrak suit or sso partizan suit. The sumrak will cost around £60 and the partizan only a little more. They are also fully reversible so you pretty much get two patterns (one green and one brown) for the price of one.
They also have a ton of features and other bits along with a good fit.

If you want something for a one off event then those suits are great for purpose but for something with a long life span the sso partizan suit or sumrak suit will serve you well.

 

[MSSW Rune]

This issue with the last outfit isn't the thickness its how loose it is. Those loose flappy suits quite often catch bbs without the wearer knowing as it only takes a small amount of material to slow the bb down dramatically. I direct hit might be felt but the ones that only catch the clothes won't and that is all the shooter sees.

I don't think it is bad sportmanship from my experience and would definitely say too much gear plays a part. Every airsofter takes hits without knowing occasionally because of mag pouches and stuff but it's up to us to try and minimise these incidents.

You say you always call your hits and if unsure call them as well and that's exactly as it should be but how do you know you call them all if you dont feel a lot of them? That goes for every airsofter though, people really should try and just use a highcrapper one day so they don't need all the kit and wear jeans and a thin top. Bet you a lot of players would get hit more than they are used to.

Not saying that's the way it should always be played but it does make you realise how much PC/vests and other gear can mask hits.

Trust me I can feel them all in that sumrak suit. In around 12 years I have never had a issue with it and nore have those who play with or against me. The only times someone has complained (and marshals have witnessed this stood near me) is when their gun was shooting short.
I also have another view point on this from a head marshals perspective (I ran a site for a period of time 2 years ago). You would very shocked at how many times people call cheat at games and their bb's are falling 6 to 10 foot short and they are adamant they can see bbs bouncing off their target.

Also you will be shocked at how good people's hit taking is when you run a near zero tolerance policy on it, heavy armour or not. My advise is if your struggling to get someone to take their hits move closer and watch them take it. 7 times out of 10 it's the shooter missing.

On the note of taking the kit away from airsoft you may as well play paintball as all you have is the guns. We play toy guns in the woods don't take it so seriously. If you're worried about how people see you honestly go back to paintball as your not going to change airsoft. It's a hobby built around playing soldiers in the woods. If it wasn't then all of the guns we have would be modeled around sporting guns and wouldn't look like real guns for efficiency.

 

[MSSW Rune]

Anyway. back to kit and stuff

Here are some more of my kits over time

Now for some MVD kits

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Trust me I can feel them all in that sumrak suit. In around 12 years I have never had a issue with it and nore have those who play with or against me. The only times someone has complained (and marshals have witnessed this stood near me) is when their gun was shooting short.

I also have another view point on this from a head marshals perspective (I ran a site for a period of time 2 years ago). You would very shocked at how many times people call cheat at games and their bb's are falling 6 to 10 foot short and they are adamant they can see bbs bouncing off their target.

Also you will be shocked at how good people's hit taking is when you run a near zero tolerance policy on it, heavy armour or not. My advise is if your struggling to get someone to take their hits move closer and watch them take it. 7 times out of 10 it's the shooter missing.

On the note of taking the kit away from airsoft you may as well play paintball as all you have is the guns. We play toy guns in the woods don't take it so seriously. If you're worried about how people see you honestly go back to paintball as your not going to change airsoft. It's a hobby built around playing soldiers in the woods. If it wasn't then all of the guns we have would be modeled around sporting guns and wouldn't look like real guns for efficiency.

First off I know when I am hitting someone so no its not shooting short that is an issue I generally play cqb in the dark and use tracers so I am pretty confident I have hit someone. I have lost count of the amount of players who I have shot centre mass that haven't called it but do soon as you shoot them in the legs. A lot of airsofters complain about hit taking and a lot put it down to gear so it's not just my opinion. I wouldn't expect you to agree as you obviously love your gear and will always defend it. I don't expect or want people stop to wearing their gear just that they remember the game is the main thing so choose their loadout more responsibly and plate carriers with groin protectors are serious overkill.

As for the guns I like nice looking toys that work well for the game I am playing but realism never crosses my mind because it doesn't exist in airsoft. I like your AK's but not because they are realistic but because they are a bit different to the norm.

Lets just agree that maybe we come at airsoft in different ways. For me it's all about the game itself and you obviously enjoy the pretend side of things which I honestly find kind of bizarre but whatever makes you happy.

And next time I am watching bbs bounce off a geardo I will try to remember the game isn't important if he's having fun thats all that matters.

 

[L3wisD]

I do feel there's an increasing level of players who can be classed as "Airsoft LARP".

I - personally - don't understand the guys who have to copy genuine military getups down to the tiniest detail.

But at the same time I won't look down on you for it, it obviously takes a lot of time and research.

But those guys, for me, definitely fall more into the LARP column than the skirmisher column.

I also find the LARPers tend to take the game too seriously, often losing their cool over something trivial really quickly, maybe because they are "in character" too much, I dunno.

I won't tar all of them with the same brush however, if I see a team of friends all done up as British MTP Super Elite warrior Soldiers I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until I see otherwise.

Let's face it, we've all taken time off from our families on our days off to shoot BBs at each other. Let's all be cool with one another

 

[Baz JJ]

I generally play cqb in the dark and use tracers.

Perfectly normal and not bizarre at all.

Stop The Press : Airsoft is considered abnormal by most of the rest of the world. It is ALL bizarre, but fun in a weird way.

Grown men playing with toy guns firing balls of plastic at each other.

We should just all embrace the weirdness and our individuality.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Perfectly normal and not bizarre at all.

Stop The Press : Airsoft is considered abnormal by most of the rest of the world. It is ALL bizarre, but fun in a weird way.

Grown men playing with toy guns firing balls of plastic at each other.

We should just all embrace the weirdness and our individuality.

Haha so true but there are varying degrees of odd. The day I find myself taking kit selfies though I will try to slash my own wrists with a rubber training knife.

 

[L3wisD]

I've just realised that somewhere on this forum is a post contradicting me saying I'd love to get a Garand/Thompson and make a WWII set up.

But...That's.. different..

 

[Baz JJ]

The problem comes when you have people playing the wrong game. I got started in milsims when I found people weren't working tactically or in teams; they would all just run off in different directions with no thought of objectives.

Nothing wrong with that but not what I want, Rather than get all bitter and twisted, I went off and found people who play in the style that I want.

I do feel there's an increasing level of players who can be classed as "Airsoft LARP".

I - personally - don't understand the guys who have to copy genuine military getups down to the tiniest detail.

But at the same time I won't look down on you for it, it obviously takes a lot of time and research.

But those guys, for me, definitely fall more into the LARP column than the skirmisher column.

I also find the LARPers tend to take the game too seriously, often losing their cool over something trivial really quickly, maybe because they are "in character" too much, I dunno.

I won't tar all of them with the same brush however, if I see a team of friends all done up as British MTP Super Elite warrior Soldiers I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until I see otherwise.

Let's face it, we've all taken time off from our families on our days off to shoot BBs at each other. Let's all be cool with one another

 

[MSSW Rune]

First off I know when I am hitting someone so no its not shooting short that is an issue I generally play cqb in the dark and use tracers so I am pretty confident I have hit someone. I have lost count of the amount of players who I have shot centre mass that haven't called it but do soon as you shoot them in the legs. A lot of airsofters complain about hit taking and a lot put it down to gear so it's not just my opinion.

I wouldn't expect you to agree as you obviously love your gear and will always defend it. I don't expect or want people stop to wearing their gear just that they remember the game is the main thing so choose their loadout more responsibly and plate carriers with groin protectors are serious overkill.

As for the guns I like nice looking toys that work well for the game I am playing but realism never crosses my mind because it doesn't exist in airsoft. I like your AK's but not because they are realistic but because they are a bit different to the norm.

Lets just agree that maybe we come at airsoft in different ways. For me it's all about the game itself and you obviously enjoy the pretend side of things which I honestly find kind of bizarre but whatever makes you happy.

And next time I am watching bbs bounce off a geardo I will try to remember the game isn't important if he's having fun thats all that matters.

As a marshal I have had airsofters swear bloody murder they are hitting people in a cqb environment but our site was all outside but insanely built up so darkness didn't play a role and we only had that issue at range. One of the benefits of a light site is its easy to marshal and see whats going on and with our near zero tolerance policy that was strictly enforced even those in plate carriers would take their hits every time or they would be removed from the game and if caught again doing it 100% intentionally would just removed all together. You soon weed out the bad eggs.

What is amusing is 9 out of 10 people we caught cheating were just normal walk on guys in just a chest rig or belt set up with jeans or track suits.

Yeah we can agree we come at it from different sides but I would never presume how you play according to kit or ever judge you for it. I judge a player on sportsmanship and quality of play. I think it's too easy with some of the members of the collectors community (a tiny percentage) for us all to be tarnished with the same brush. Me and my team really don't take ourselves seriously at all. At a milsim we do more so but even then we still dick about.

I do feel there's an increasing level of players who can be classed as "Airsoft LARP".

I - personally - don't understand the guys who have to copy genuine military getups down to the tiniest detail.

But at the same time I won't look down on you for it, it obviously takes a lot of time and research.

But those guys, for me, definitely fall more into the LARP column than the skirmisher column.

I also find the LARPers tend to take the game too seriously, often losing their cool over something trivial really quickly, maybe because they are "in character" too much, I dunno.

I won't tar all of them with the same brush however, if I see a team of friends all done up as British MTP Super Elite warrior Soldiers I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until I see otherwise.

Let's face it, we've all taken time off from our families on our days off to shoot BBs at each other. Let's all be cool with one another

As someone who collects kit and plays milsim I can totally agree with you. yeah it's pretty much larping at points. Then again we skirmish more than we milsim and we really don't take ourselves seriously. I have though seen some very poor examples of peoples play who have higher end kit (I wont name names).

My collecting is reasonably separate to my gaming and often for games I will use cut down versions of these kits. one of the things I encourage my team to do is congratulate the person who shot them as we find it encourages more sportsmanship all round and helps shift some of those preconceptions people have about gear weirdos like us lol.

Plus its always nice to be complimented for a good shot.

 

[Tamberlin]

Anyway. back to kit and stuff

This is precisely the sort of stuff I'm looking for! Would you mind sending me a kit-list?

 

[MSSW Rune]

This is precisely the sort of stuff I'm looking for! Would you mind sending me a kit-list?

Which kit exactly and I'll break it down for you. I've posted a couple

 

[Tamberlin]

Which kit exactly and I'll break it down for you. I've posted a couple

5th pic, 7th pic, and 10th pic?

Thanks so much!