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Speedbird_666
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No. I know many people who don't want it. It's not for me to judge - your body, your choice. But whether your employer will think the same is another matter.
I will probably have to have it - I fully expect my employer to make it a requirement to return to the office.
Speedbird_666
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Speedbird_666
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Stolen from the Daily Mail. No, I'm not a typical DM reader - but I do find some of the guff on there funny.
GenuineGerman
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- Oct 8, 2020
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As you said every one can catch and pass it on however if you are at a higher risk group you have higher change of it causing more damage and it killing you. The vaccine is supposed to stop it being as serious but still doesn't prevent it if i have understood that correctly so by that reasoning if higher and lower risk groups mingle you should have a balance of symptoms where everyone roughly has it that same on average. If you start having certificates to allow people in events for example football, airsoft, music events and thus effectively prevent a large part of the population going out is just seems a bit unfair to me. I've have probably just over thought it and thinking worst case.
Shamal
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I'm self employed. But would that be constructive dismissal if your employer came up with " well you can't come to work if you don't do it and if you don't come to work you will loose your job"
Its like them saying we want all our staff to have tatoos cause we got them and if you don't then your down the road muttering!
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Asomodai
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I think it's more "If you are customer facing or work with others, we don't want them to have their potential risk of exposure increased". Also jobs involving International travel.
Random Exerpt:
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Can employers indirectly compel employees to vaccinate?
Businesses could decide to take indirect measures to pressurise vaccination of their employees, such as refusing staff entry to certain parts of the workplace or certain roles, if they cannot demonstrate that they have been vaccinated. Similarly, employers may be tempted to issue disciplinary action if an employee repeatedly refuses to be vaccinated. Any such measures should be considered very carefully before being implemented.
If an employee’s refusal to be vaccinated is down to a disability/protected religious/philosophical belief, and results in disciplinary action from their employer, they may be able to issue a direct or indirect discrimination claim, and claim constructive unfair dismissal if they resign in protest. A better course of action for organisations would be to help employees to make informed decisions regarding their vaccination by sharing impartial, factual information."
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Speedbird_666
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I work on a campus with 4200 other people. If my employer wants to implement a 'no vaccine, no office' rule, they will find a way to do it. It sounds like the Government are mulling over 'Covid Certificates' anyway, so I would not be surprised if a law change gets rammed through Parliament with little opposition. Individual Liberty be damned.
GenuineGerman
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Vaccination should be everyone's choice and you should also not be discriminated against if you choose not too. However you know it will be used against you.
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MiK
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Shamal
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That's exactly the jist of what I was saying yesterday.but until it is law we have a choice.?
GenuineGerman
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Speedbird_666
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MiK
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https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/guides/coronavirus-can-uk-employers-require-staff-vaccinated
looks like employers could enforce staff to get vaccinated if they word it correctly, I am self employed so I’m my own boss and set my own rules but if I was a employee and another co-worker was refusing to be vaccinated I would expect the employer and the H&S of its works to either make a safe area for those who are and segregate those who aren’t or continue to use the furlow scheme or enforce them to work from home.
It may seem selfish of me to want this but why should I be put at risk from those who choose not to help to keep safe those around them.
Those who can’t have a jab due to medical reasons should be separated as a default setting.
looks like employers could enforce staff to get vaccinated if they word it correctly, I am self employed so I’m my own boss and set my own rules but if I was a employee and another co-worker was refusing to be vaccinated I would expect the employer and the H&S of its works to either make a safe area for those who are and segregate those who aren’t or continue to use the furlow scheme or enforce them to work from home.
It may seem selfish of me to want this but why should I be put at risk from those who choose not to help to keep safe those around them.
Those who can’t have a jab due to medical reasons should be separated as a default setting.
Shamal
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Has it been proved that the jab reduces transmission? If it has then surely it's a cure.
We are starting an extension next week. All the plans are done and people lined up.basically we have a contract.
If we get to job Monday and customers enquire as to our jabbiness and say they don't want us there until we have all been jabbed with the juice of life then I,personally,
will tell them to stick up their own arses and get someone else because that wasn't part of job description.
I would also sharpish start a claim for breach of contract!?
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Speedbird_666
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Not really. I understand your argument about Constructive Dismissal, but taking such an issue to tribunal is a long (and potentially expensive) process.
Many employees will be scared into having the vaccine by employers who will either tacitly or explicit state that it is a requirement. They will use leverage (bonuses, promotions etc. where applicable) to enforce their will.
Disclaimer: To be clear - I have not been told anything by my employer anything along these lines and is purely conjecture on my part. I am in no way implying that my employer will use these measures in now or in the future.
MiK
AF-UK patch owner
- Dec 30, 2019
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@Shamal playing devil’s advocate here.....
Will you be doing the extension with more than 6 people or more than two different households ? Then currently they could possibly ask you to reschedule when the rules allow more mixing and I think they could possibly win any breach of contract agreement, but being honest here they want the extension so they will probably not worry about it
Will you be doing the extension with more than 6 people or more than two different households ? Then currently they could possibly ask you to reschedule when the rules allow more mixing and I think they could possibly win any breach of contract agreement, but being honest here they want the extension so they will probably not worry about it
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