Restrictions on Gatherings and Airsoft?

[Rogerborg]

I can conduct a ceremony in California, but I don’t like heat

Northern California is surprisingly clement.

Universal Life Church, by any chance?  I haven't seen you at the meetings.  But then we all wear those hoods and cloaks.

 

[Tommikka]

Northern California is surprisingly clement.

Universal Life Church, by any chance?  I haven't seen you at the meetings.  But then we all wear those hoods and cloaks.

I’m the one in the black 

 

[Rogerborg]

I’m the one in the black 

Bonum commune communitatis.

No clarifications yet, other than to re-iterate "organised team sport", but no mention of numbers or distinction between indoors and outdoors.

 

[Shamal]

The solution here seems simple. Ref gets ordained online, marry two players at the start of the day and you have an Airsoft themed wedding on your hands rather than a day of Airsoft.

I'm taking no chances for my game at green ops on 20th..I've got my vcam laid out and also a suit and some confetti and a nice salt and pepper set for the happy couple.lol ???just to cover all permutations 

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Regards 

 

[Albiscuit]

I would argue Airsoft is a Team Sport, not sure about Organised though.

 

[Shamal]

I would argue Airsoft is a Team Sport, not sure about Organised though.

Haha satire. Love it ?

 

[Asomodai]

So more questions emanating from the latest Bojo speech. 

"The exemptions to the "rule of six" will be cut down. For example, people doing indoor team sports will now not been allowed."

I guess that means no indoor Airsoft venues?

Also gatherings of more then 15 apart from funerals which can allow up to 30. I think the new rules may not affect outdoor sites for the same reason sites could have more then 30 people in the last set of rules. 

 

[clumpyedge]

So more questions emanating from the latest Bojo speech. 

"The exemptions to the "rule of six" will be cut down. For example, people doing indoor team sports will now not been allowed."

I guess that means no indoor Airsoft venues?

Also gatherings of more then 15 apart from funerals which can allow up to 30. I think the new rules may not affect outdoor sites for the same reason sites could have more then 30 people in the last set of rules. 

So a CQB site has both out door and indoor area's so the indoor bit will no longer be allowed.. technically.

 

[Asomodai]

So a CQB site has both out door and indoor area's so the indoor bit will no longer be allowed.. technically.

@GeorgePlaysAirsoftLinked me to the new regulations. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing#rules-in-other-venues-and-activities

If Airsoft is part of Section 3, then both Indoor and Outdoor sites are ok to keep open. 

Justin who runs the Gaol has said that nothing affects the site and will continue as normal. 

 

[clumpyedge]

@GeorgePlaysAirsoftLinked me to the new regulations. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing#rules-in-other-venues-and-activities

If Airsoft is part of Section 3, then both Indoor and Outdoor sites are ok to keep open. 

Justin who runs the Gaol has said that nothing affects the site and will continue as normal. 

"but no one should mix in a group of greater than 6"

How can you guarantee that people wont huddle in CQB hearding airsofters out of a safe zone is bad enough let alone trying to get people to push a stairwell.

 

[Asomodai]

"but no one should mix in a group of greater than 6"

How can you guarantee that people wont huddle in CQB hearding airsofters out of a safe zone is bad enough let alone trying to get people to push a stairwell.

Oh I agree that is is not possible. 

Incursion are shutting down Epsom Tunnels this week in direct contrast to the Gaol. The Gaol is mostly indoors, so not sure how they swung that. It's still too early to know .

 

[Rogerborg]

@GeorgePlaysAirsoftLinked me to the new regulations. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing#rules-in-other-venues-and-activities

That's advice, not regulations, and it's a week old.  We'll have to see what the wording of the new regs are, and whether they're going to be enforced.

Indoor adult sports had already been re-criminalised in Scotland last week, but nobody, including gov.scot, seems to realise that, or care.

Johnson has said "Adult indoor team sports will no longer be allowed." in England, but with no specific mention of it again in Scotland, it's just possible that we might be able to squeeze another game in.

Who knows at this point?

 

[Tommikka]

As Roger has pointed out, all the published guidance & regulations are subject to change.

The guidance at 14 September included references to paintball thanks to engagement by the UKPSF.

Government were treating paintball as an activity along with theme parks, and then after discussions placed it among shooting activities.

Advice on how to apply the guidance and what are considered Covid safe precautions have been sent to UKPSF member sites.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

These will then need to be applied against todays changes, regional situations, and site specifics

 

[typefish]

Oh I agree that is is not possible. 

Incursion are shutting down Epsom Tunnels this week in direct contrast to the Gaol. The Gaol is mostly indoors, so not sure how they swung that. It's still too early to know .

The Gaol have expanded over the past couple of years so that there's a large outdoor area that can be used.

 

[Asomodai]

The Gaol have expanded over the past couple of years so that there's a large outdoor area that can be used.

They haven't specified they are only going to play the outdoor sections and they said that nothing in the announcement changes things. I fail to see how they can demonstrably keep groups of 6 apart indoors. 

 

[Rogerborg]

England: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

"organised outdoor sport or licensed outdoor physical activity, and supervised sporting activity (indoors or outdoors) for under-18s. Organised indoor sport or exercise classes can take place in larger numbers, provided groups of more than 6 do not mix. "

Your guess is as good as mine what mixing means in the context of airsoft, or any other team sport.  Or if that's going to change since Johnson said indoor sports were a no-no.

Scotland: no new word that I can see about sports.  Latest advice (which contradicts the actual regulations) remains as: https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-what-you-can-and-cannot-do/pages/sport-culture-and-leisure/

"Organised outdoor contact sports such as rugby can re-start for people of all ages. For outdoor coaching sessions, there is a limit of 30 on the total number of people who can be coached at any one time.

When in an indoor facility, those aged 12 and over should only participate in organised non-contact sport and should maintain physical distancing. 

All organised sports and activities must follow specific rules and guidance of relevant sport governing bodies, local authorities or businesses who in turn have fully applied related Scottish Government and sportscotland guidance."

Outdoor's probably OK, Biohazard indoor has asked "environmental health" and await a reply, although I don't know that I'd trust any particular body given the number of others that could think otherwise.

 

[typefish]

It's the 24th already, and the revised secondary legislation isn't published. How can anyone make any justified decisions if we're not aware of what the law actually is?

Edit: spoke prematurely! just got released in the last few minutes ?

 

[typefish]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1029/pdfs/uksi_20201029_en.pdf for those like me with no life

 

[Rogerborg]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1029/pdfs/uksi_20201029_en.pdf for those like me with no life

Yup, that looks like all indoor sports banned except for disabled sports - it's very nice of the WuFlu to not infect disabled people.

Well, bugger.  I can't see any loopholes, it's a blanket ban.

Still waiting on the Scotch version, but I reckon indoor sports were already re-criminalised on the 14th and nobody noticed.

We're all bush-wookies now, chaps.

 

[typefish]

There have been some rather animated discussions on Facebook last night about how this effects airsoft

Some of the points raised were interesting - about how this doesn't affect that much indoor skirmishes because as long as those people who are inside their group of six don't come into contact with other people within their group of six (by keeping more than say, 2 metres apart at all times) and I can see their point if the venue is able support this sort of thing, by means of say, a dedicated one way system for leaving after calling your hit, versus spawning

But I don't know any venue that would be able to support this and be able to sustain gameplay. ?